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At least I am happy that team is taking the loss with dignity.
Yes and had the good grace to stay on the field and bow to the fans - leassons learned = not like the '99 side which all (apart from Jonah) scuttled away down the tunnel immediately after the loss, and afterwards some (Kelleher et al) were seen laughing it up queuing for restaurant and movie.
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@Jailbreak7 tbf most of them bar Jonah looked like that right from getting off the bus before the game
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@Jailbreak7 Doug Howlett was arrested in 2007 for jumping on parked cars outside the Heathrow Hilton:
Rugby Union: Howlett arrested after damaging cars at Heathrow airport
Rugby union: New Zealand winger bailed after jumping on two cars outside airport hotel.
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@taniwharugby said in Hansen:
@Jailbreak7 tbf most of them bar Jonah looked like that right from getting off the bus before the game
That’s a pretty average observation. How can you question the mindset of an All Black team in a RWC semi final?
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@rotated were you there? Thats the 'average' read I got, coupled with the warming up on the field, the 2nd half, I think it showed they weren't in the right space...to much laughing, joking, messing about.
I know everyone relaxes differently, but this was different.
Other people I spoke to thought similar.
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@Machpants Nope, complete Truth. When has this team won the big ones?
The Bled return match at the fortress when we needed to 35-0 to retain the Bled.... That was HUGE and one of the biggest games of the year
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I hate the way people put the boot in to Hansen AFTER he has left....he was a great coach and a great ambassador for NZ rugby and NZ as a nation...Thank you Steve...good luck and hope you get the gig of a lifetime after this RWC.
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@taniwharugby said in Hansen:
@rotated were you there? Thats the 'average' read I got, coupled with the warming up on the field, the 2nd half, I think it showed they weren't in the right space...to much laughing, joking, messing about.
I know everyone relaxes differently, but this was different.
Other people I spoke to thought similar.
Just taking the piss at how Hansen threatened to teach a report a lesson for suggesting the same thing at the press conference.
I completely agree with your observation.
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@Blackheart said in Hansen:
I hate the way people put the boot in to Hansen AFTER he has left....he was a great coach and a great ambassador for NZ rugby and NZ as a nation...Thank you Steve...good luck and hope you get the gig of a lifetime after this RWC.
Again, people have been critical of selections all year. Longer in some cases.
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@Blackheart said in Hansen:
I hate the way people put the boot in to Hansen AFTER he has left....he was a great coach and a great ambassador for NZ rugby and NZ as a nation...Thank you Steve...good luck and hope you get the gig of a lifetime after this RWC.
No one is doubting that Hansen was a great ambassador for NZ Rugby and is a good bloke.
No one is questioning that England were excellent on Saturday.
What some of us have been questioning for some time are the strategic decisions that have been taken by Hansen and NZRU concerning the ABs in the last couple of years, especially leaving him with sub-par Assistant Coaches since Wayne Smith left.
Big difference between that and "putting the boot in" as you call it.
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Being critical of selections is one thing - filling actual holes is another. Did we have the best 15 players starting? I think we had 14 of the best starting options and the 15th on the bench. If Todd had been fit, I would have started Cane with Todd on the bench and dropped Pat T. I'm not sure it would have made a difference...
Look at the number of props that have been tried over the last 3 years. I count at least 8 players (Franks, Moody, Karl T, Ofa T, Laulala, Moli, Angus T, Faumuina) of which 2 have effectively retired
Look at the number of midfield combos that we have tried? I count at least 5 players (SBW, Crotty, ALB, Goodhue, Laumape)
Look at the number of options we have tried at 6 and they haven't worked out? Kaino (retired), Squires (not an answer), Savea (not his best position IMHO), SB (not his best position...), Frizell, Hemopo (off to Japan), Fafita (not an answer at the moment)Much of the criticism directed at the result of this game ignores what the AB's have done to try and fill gaps, often caused by injuries, in the last few years and whether some of the fringe players could have come into better form in this tournament. It's possible, but how many risks do you take?
Based on performances in yesterdays game, the players I expected more from were Taylor, Whitelock, Retallick, Savea and Read. I'm ignoring backs for now - we lost this game in the forwards. We missed Savea in support at breakdowns (other than that he played well and improved when Cane came on) and the other four an uncharacteristic number of errors compared to their usual games. SB made errors too, but I'm giving him a pass based on coaches playing him out of position and the props did enough.
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@Winger the only problem with saying 'go overseas' is that there is a huge risk they wont be coming back.
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Hansen has been great for the All Blacks and will rightly be considered a legend. He has been involved with the ABs since 2004 and we have had huge success in that time.
It is the right time to go. I am not sure if he is as good a coach as he has been previously and has selections and decisionmaking has been uncharacteristic for him.
One thing that I have been saying for a while is that its been a while since the ABs have been at the forefront of the evolution of the game. It seems havent brought any real innovation to the the game in a long time and have been slow to recognise and implement things such as a rush defence and ball carying props (mako did 12 carries to moody's one i believe yesterday).
In hindsight Barrett at the blindside was a mistake, especially as 2 of Englands star players were at 6 and 7 and we have played Cane and Savea throughout the tournament.
Still, our side isnt a patch on previous world cup teams but one thing we havent seen is an Ab side play better than the sum of their parts and play above themselves for quite some time.
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@PecoTrain said in Hansen:
Look at the number of props that have been tried over the last 3 years. I count at least 8 players (Franks, Moody, Karl T, Ofa T, Laulala, Moli, Angus T, Faumuina) of which 2 have effectively retired
Kane Hames, Wyatt Crockett, Tim Perry and Tyrel Lomax - and that's just from the Mako!
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@Blackheart said in Hansen:
I hate the way people put the boot in to Hansen AFTER he has left....he was a great coach and a great ambassador for NZ rugby and NZ as a nation...Thank you Steve...good luck and hope you get the gig of a lifetime after this RWC.
Again, people have been critical of selections all year. Longer in some cases.
Of course, they have been - but, that doesn't mean they're right.
All those criticisms are just theories that didn't get tested. The only person's theory that gets tested in reality is Hansen's. And he only gets one shot. Across his career he's been right about 86 percent of the time.
You don't have to look too hard to find someone today who is claiming vindication for "their" player and you're thinking, "you're dreaming mate". But that person will have 5 likes from some other plonkers who are similarly misguided.
You play that game again with the same players and get to change five plays/decisions - e.g. Moúnga tackles Daly, Retallick passes accurately to the support, Whitelock doesn't push Farrell in the face - and you could easily get a different result.
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Always easy with hindsight, but I think this side clearly lacked some physicality , not just in the forwards , we probably lacked that one or two big brown buggers in the backline that had become a trademark of ours , not so much a selection error , just not there right now.
Even if you go back to the 2015 side , inclusions to this team , Kaino at 6 , nonu at 12 , savea at 11, Vito on the bench would give us a different edge in physicality across the field.
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@DaGrubster said in Hansen:
@Winger the only problem with saying 'go overseas' is that there is a huge risk they wont be coming back.
Have we had that problem yet? The economic disparity could widen in the next 4-8-12 years and it's possible we one day will but so far we have...
Schmidt turning down a blank cheque for...nothing.
Gatland turning down a Wales extension for the Chiefs.
Rennie (one imagines) would take the ABs job if he is willing to take the Aussie one. Similarly Penny would take a NZ Super job if he would take the Tahs.
Joseph would return by all reports if in the mix and Brown is seemingly a shoo-in to return as an assisstant.
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