RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
Not from me. It is because he was a dickhead with all the shouting and arm waving at lineouts not because he wasn't a good player.
It also wouldn't be arrogance to think another player isn't very good. Ignorant maybe, and certainly opinion. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Toddy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
omebody mentioned shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic and I reckon that fits pretty well here.
the TWM have been shuffling players around right, left and centre for 3 seasons.
Hansen settles on a good Read/Ardie/Cane combination and picks a lock to play at 6 for a pivotal RWC game.
Go figure
Yeah, I've been a Foster apologist but everything I've seen from the TWM since Perth has been reactionary, disguised as dry powder.
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@kev said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Nepia I think the selectors in the end got caught out with an ageing forward pack The Franks change was late in the piece but so necessary. BBBR was off his best and Scott Barrett should have started at lock. Add to that Taylor looked to have peaked a season ago. I thought Read played quite well but no one looked good tonight. We looked flat this week and if it’s because the Irish game took too much out of them then that is an issue.
I'm not sure it was so much an aging forward pack as, what they planned for and expected to happen - didn't. The lineout was a complete reversal on what i expected to happen - need to go back and look at how we lined up in that, because somehow we let Itoje just fucking kill us - seemed to be winning uncontested ball on their throw and getting up in front of our jumpers on ours -despite that we supposedly had four jumpers and they had two.
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@Victor-Meldrew I was really busy this week so didn't post about it, but I was wondering what the hell had gone wrong that they didn't pick Cane. Really weird.
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Wind back 24 hours, start Cane instead of SB; Coles starting instead of Taylor; Bender on the bench instead of Jordie. Would it have made a difference?
No
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@mantissanet he’s a quality coach for sure. The Brumbies had quality players during his tenure 98-01 and got to the big dance and even won the choccies. He’s a true tactician. Remember he left the Brumbies after 2001 because he got the Wallabies job. Nucifora then got the Brumbies job and made some changes and got to the finals before the player revolt....
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@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
we let Itoje just fucking kill us - seemed to be winning uncontested ball on their throw and getting up in front of our jumpers on ours -despite that we supposedly had four jumpers and they had two.
And we let that happen time and time again. Did we ever throw it to the front?
Sort of thing indicated lack of leadership.
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Okay that was just very very painful. Not as much of a shock to the system as 2007 though because this was meant to be a tough game from the outset - especially when you look at the way the English developed through the season.
In one way this is nowhere near as bad as the CWC final, because of the comprehensive way we were outplayed in this game. So I'm able to move on to Cricket season once more.
But it still hurts, just not in the same heart ripped out way.
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@Duluth said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Will_G said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Itoje
Oh, hi
What brings you back here?
I believe Blackadder called those types "gloaters". There are other words of course.
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Cane would have made a difference.
Also think he adds a lot in the leadership department - sadly lacking today.
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@Devon-Kiwi said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Like you guys have been a rabid ABs fan all of my life and have never ever missed a game
Have to ask, did Bob Deans score or not?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Cane would have made a difference.
Also think he adds a lot in the leadership department - sadly lacking today.
Yeah, it's utter BS to pretend Cane wouldn't have made a difference when starting even if the result stayed the same - we have a much better chance of a win if he starts.
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@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
we have a much better chance of a win if he starts.
He's the glue in the low numbers
Bit like Ringo Starr's drumming. Underrated and it's only when someone else tries to play like him and can't, you realize how bloody good he actually is.
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Stages of loss:
Denial : that horse bolted after the 3rd aimless kick giving possession away with attacking ball in the opposition 40.
Anger: 78 minutes of that
Bargaining: why no repeat of Lions game one style?
Depression: not this time. No Wayne Barnes
Acceptance: yeah, the " three wise men" you ponce around for 3 years tinkering for the "next big thing", and on show night, you served up the most insipid All Black display in living memory !Bah!!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
we let Itoje just fucking kill us - seemed to be winning uncontested ball on their throw and getting up in front of our jumpers on ours -despite that we supposedly had four jumpers and they had two.
And we let that happen time and time again. Did we ever throw it to the front?
Sort of thing indicated lack of leadership.
Yeah - perhaps - but, the thing is that you want deep ball,if you can get it and throwing deep to Sam Whitelock is usually money-ball.
We just got skinned.
Out-muscled up front and their backs showed invention at least on a par with ours.
Just not good enough and to be honest, we don't have any players that would have made a difference tonight.
What we planned to do we couldn't execute.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
we have a much better chance of a win if he starts.
He's the glue in the low numbers
Bit like Ringo Starr's drumming. Underrated and it's only when someone else tries to play like him and can't, you realize how bloody good he actually is.
Thought Coles had a very good game when he came on.
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And continuing the trend of long-lost posters returning to the Fern...
