RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D)
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@Higgins said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
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Drew is bang on. Skeen needs to be sent home.
God, imagine him being unleashed on a Heartland Championship game (think the semis and finals are televised live)!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
I’m still baffled by the TMO forward pass call when they were checking for an early tackle and not a try scoring play.
That makes no coherent sense for how a game should flow.
I think we can accept that forward passes are missed in general play (I think it even happened once in 2007 legend tells me), but why is it that something that is only a minor infringement (scrum) given greater scrutiny then full arm penalty infringements. I think we accept that full arm penalty infringements are missed but why aren’t TMO’s looking at that if they are going to the trouble of looking at that when called on to look at other matters.
Is there a specific directive that I’m unaware of that was given to TMOs and onfield refs that says they must be looking at forward passes in all instances
i made the same point, we now have one infringement that now appears to trump all others (and which is pretty dubious to check given camera angles "clear forward pass" my ass). And we have a TMO taking over the game. And we have instances where forward passes are looked at, and when they aren't. It's an absolute shambles, and either Skeen is stepping way over the mark, or this TMO thing has descended into a complete farce, and rugby as we know it has been fundamentally changed.
Also, that first half yesterday took 54 minutes. 14 extra minutes on a 40 minute period. That's a fucking disgrace.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
I’m still baffled by the TMO forward pass call when they were checking for an early tackle and not a try scoring play.
That makes no coherent sense for how a game should flow.
I think we can accept that forward passes are missed in general play (I think it even happened once in 2007 legend tells me), but why is it that something that is only a minor infringement (scrum) given greater scrutiny then full arm penalty infringements. I think we accept that full arm penalty infringements are missed but why aren’t TMO’s looking at that if they are going to the trouble of looking at that when called on to look at other matters.
Is there a specific directive that I’m unaware of that was given to TMOs and onfield refs that says they must be looking at forward passes in all instances
i made the same point, we now have one infringement that now appears to trump all others (and which is pretty dubious to check given camera angles "clear forward pass" my ass). And we have a TMO taking over the game. And we have instances where forward passes are looked at, and when they aren't. It's an absolute shambles, and either Skeen is stepping way over the mark, or this TMO thing has descended into a complete farce, and rugby as we know it has been fundamentally changed.
Also, that first half yesterday took 54 minutes. 14 extra minutes on a 40 minute period. That's a fucking disgrace.
Only one more minute required for Skeen's desired 15 minutes of fame then?
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Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
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@taniwharugby Throw in a half decent first five and watch them go!
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
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@Duluth said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@Crucial Yeah he was the most offside, a few others could've been penalised too
So when the ball is kicked and cleared from a ruck with the kicker inside his own deadball and way behind his teammates, and the ball doesn't go dead how long do his teammates have to wait before they can advance?
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I think the images on this page cover it:
I believe he should have made a half arsed effort to retreat until his winger ran past. Advancing immediately was the problem
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
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@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
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@mariner4life maybe thats why they didnt have a look at it, Gosper was sitting alongside Skeeny and pulled the plug on his mic!
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
I'd love to hear @MiketheSnow's take of what the Fijian 5 should have done in that situation...
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@Duluth said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
I think the images on this page cover it:
I believe he should have made a half arsed effort to retreat until his winger ran past. Advancing immediately was the problem
Thanks
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68th or so, minute. Fiji on attack and 5 points down. Volavola puts in that kick with the wierd bounce, Fiji regather but knock it on. Advantage and a welsh player gets the ball and is expertly tackled by Fijian from a standing start - great lunge, being held a bit too.
Oh well, back for the scrum to Wales
No, no. Faeces desides that the fijian tackler was on the ground and tackling from there. Relieving penalty Wales - like feck he was!
it was a fine piece of desperation rugby.
Now getting calls wrong is a thing that will happen to refs, BUT, what a time to bring out a "playing rugby off your feet" call. And in circumstances where it was clear it was a dive from standing upright tackle. Not totally sure Faeces? then stick with what happened. Defensive scrum Wales
Does a penalty always overrule a knock on advantage?
Is it only if it's the same team that transgresses?
Is their a clear hiearchy of when to come back for a scrum or does the penalty offence trump it everytime?
I have great difficulty explaining the game to non rugby people these days.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
In that situation no attacker is going to charge for the line with the ball in two hands ahead of his head. The ball is too vulnerable and likely to be knocked out of the attacker's grasp.
So the go to move for the attacker is to tuck the ball between hand and chest and advance towards the goaline shoulder and head first. As AWJ did.
The thing that's often lost in these type of discussions is this is NOT an illegal (is that the right word?) move.
World Rugby for the moment thinks this is fine.
What they don't think is fine and which is being scrutinised and penalised is the defender - in his attempt to thwart the attacker - hitting the attacker with arm, shoulder or head in the attacker's neck and head area.
You may not like it. You may not agree with it. It may well be ammended after the WC.
But for now, the onus is on the defender.
And if he gets it wrong, he's going to get penalised. And possibly carded.
In this instance the defender could have chosen
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Not to make the tackle. AWJ was going nowhere - too many bodies in his path
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Taken AWJ's shoulder and head in his midriff and wrapped him ball and all. If AWJ had crossed the plane of the goaline then the defender would be ideally placed to prevent the ball from being grounded.
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@Siam said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
68th or so, minute. Fiji on attack and 5 points down. Volavola puts in that kick with the wierd bounce, Fiji regather but knock it on. Advantage and a welsh player gets the ball and is expertly tackled by Fijian from a standing start - great lunge, being held a bit too.
Oh well, back for the scrum to Wales
No, no. Faeces desides that the fijian tackler was on the ground and tackling from there. Relieving penalty Wales - like feck he was!
it was a fine piece of desperation rugby.
Now getting calls wrong is a thing that will happen to refs, BUT, what a time to bring out a "playing rugby off your feet" call. And in circumstances where it was clear it was a dive from standing upright tackle. Not totally sure Faeces? then stick with what happened. Defensive scrum Wales
Does a penalty always overrule a knock on advantage?
Is it only if it's the same team that transgresses?
Is their a clear hiearchy of when to come back for a scrum or does the penalty offence trump it everytime?
I have great difficulty explaining the game to non rugby people these days.
The bolded bit, it was hardly being held a bit - he was well and truly being held and should have been penalised (or at the very least gone back for the Welsh scrum).
