RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C)
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@booboo said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@booboo You’re naive mate. Athletes at this level will do what rewards them most. It’s about bucks.
All the more reason to enforce the laws that define the game and keep the players safe
Do the current laws really keep the players safe though? Does world rugby think all these red cards are an anomaly as surely no player would ever make a high tackle knowing it costs their team the game?
There will always be high tackles, it's just the way of the game, yes there should be penalties put in place and suspensions but having so many games ruined is not the way forward. -
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@NTA said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Going back 4 years: tip tackles and Sam Warburton.
Rarely seen nowadays.
Let's hope high tackles go the same way.
Did you see the Italian game? I agree with you but do wonder if stopping tip tackles is easier than stopping the high tackle. I guess time will tell.
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@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@NTA said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Going back 4 years: tip tackles and Sam Warburton.
Rarely seen nowadays.
Let's hope high tackles go the same way.
Did you see the Italian game? I agree with you but do wonder if stopping tip tackles is easier than stopping the high tackle. I guess time will tell.
I agree. Tip tackles were relatively easy to address. High shots less so but they will need to be addressed in some way
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@NTA said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Going back 4 years: tip tackles and Sam Warburton.
Rarely seen nowadays.
Let's hope high tackles go the same way.
I think the difference is that tip tackles is a technique that has no place in the game, much like (most) shoulder charges - fairly easy to identify and ideally eradicate. A high tackle though can be pretty subjective and has lots of elements, attacking players ducking, timing, slippage etc.
I think we all want truly high tackles out of the game, but I do think there is a grey area on this one
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@NTA said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@NTA said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Going back 4 years: tip tackles and Sam Warburton.
Rarely seen nowadays.
Let's hope high tackles go the same way.
Did you see the Italian game? I agree with you but do wonder if stopping tip tackles is easier than stopping the high tackle. I guess time will tell.
I agree. Tip tackles were relatively easy to address. High shots less so but they will need to be addressed in some way
Yeah I agree, even the Oz game there were numerous high tackles. I just think players are under so much pressure to be dominant and to rush up that a simple misjudgement at speed costs them dearly. It really is a tricky situation.
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@chimoaus Exactly. It’s about protecting the World Rugby board safe from litigation. It makes me laugh when I read all these naive idiots thinking it’s about player welfare.
When you have to resort to calling someone who opposes your argument a naive idiot you've lost the argument.
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@Billy-Tell
Some of the guys who were so good for the Jaguares in the Super season now look knackered and in need of the off-season. -
@sparky said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Billy-Tell
Some of the guys who were so good for the Jaguares in the Super season now look knackered and in need of the off-season.Definitely.
And there was a French no fucks given attitude for lots of the match unfortunately.
They scored the best try of the match, could have had more.
Interestingly the Japanese Sunwolves players look as fresh as daises
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England had to win five successive hard fought games to win the RWC. Actually, it's only four. They played slowly and saved their energy all game long. The issue was never in doubt. Let's hope France give them a real test. An England loss would be great for the All Blacks.
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Just watching the highlights on ITV4
Red card incident seen from more angles than a dodecahedron.
English charge down which should have been a YC at least?
What English charge down? No mention of it.
Or Tuilagi hitting the man in the air.
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
England had to win five successive hard fought games to win the RWC. Actually, it's only four. They played slowly and saved their energy all game long. The issue was never in doubt. Let's hope France give them a real test. An England loss would be great for the All Blacks.
Billy hurt.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Just watching the highlights on ITV4
Red card incident seen from more angles than a dodecahedron.
English charge down which should have been a YC at least?
What English charge down? No mention of it.
Or Tuilagi hitting the man in the air.
ITV playing to their audience. Probably didn’t expect a random Taff to watch the game live AND the highlights😉
Watching live, including the replays I thought the coverage was more balanced. I also thought that Owens did pretty well, the Tuilagi and Lawes incidents could have gone either way and he explained his decisions vey well in both instances. As he did when England were infringing close to the line early on.
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On the red card discussion, there was, I thought, a very good rationale by one of the pundits. Basically saying that the coaches and the players don’t give a fuck and if it takes a metric fuckton of red cards to get the current poor technique addressed then that’s the way to go. Until there is a perceived cost to the “dominant tackle” ideal then things will not change. Sound reasoning imo.
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On the send off . sin bin rule, I follow AFL which has none, and the players get harshly dealt with at a tribunal ,
like anything , there are positives and negatives,
you dont get games decided by the send off which is probably better from a spectacle point of view,
but you could argue the team on the receiving end of the foul play doesnt receive enough compensation , particularly if they have lost a player through that foul play , the team that plays them next it could be argued benefits , because of the suspension,
And it does open a window for a player in a big game to go a bit nuts knowing he wont be sent off
you could change it but i dont think it fixes everything
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
On the red card discussion, there was, I thought, a very good rationale by one of the pundits. Basically saying that the coaches and the players don’t give a fuck and if it takes a metric fuckton of red cards to get the current poor technique addressed then that’s the way to go. Until there is a perceived cost to the “dominant tackle” ideal then things will not change. Sound reasoning imo.
I get that, but if they are serious about lowering the tackle then they need to be serious about supporting that in law. Not trying for dominant tackles at this level hurts you - and your team probably loses.
If they are serious about taclking around the waist, then strict enforcing of 'no standing up after hitting the ground while even vaguely held', and stop offloading as soon as a body part (elbow or knee) is on the ground. Simplify the fark out of it, reward tacklers chopping players down
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Just watching the highlights on ITV4
Red card incident seen from more angles than a dodecahedron.
English charge down which should have been a YC at least?
What English charge down? No mention of it.
Or Tuilagi hitting the man in the air.
ITV playing to their audience. Probably didn’t expect a random Taff to watch the game live AND the highlights😉
Watching live, including the replays I thought the coverage was more balanced. I also thought that Owens did pretty well, the Tuilagi and Lawes incidents could have gone either way and he explained his decisions vey well in both instances. As he did when England were infringing close to the line early on.
We just want consistency
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Consistency would be good but not easy when you have different instances, different refs, TMOs and interpretations. Trial by a single frame shot is not really supportive of consistency either. I’m assuming the second shot was the Piers Francis thing? If so, I’d say he was lucky but also that it was nowhere in the same league as the Quill one or the Argie today.
