RIP Tiny Hill
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We use the word wirey/sinewy to describe them today, same as my dad and lots of other farmer types*. Not much mass but a lot of toughness and strength whilst still looking like streaks of weasel piss
*Does not apply to my lily livered, pansy hands, pencil neck self
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
I think the main difference now , it’s become a bigger collision sport , bigger frames deliberately hitting each other at higher speeds in the battle for territory, that is where the modern players would have the edge , just through basic physics.
No doubt the older players were harder in other areas , particularly dishing out a bit of knuckle and their ability to play injured . -
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
I think the main difference now , it’s become a bigger collision sport , bigger frames deliberately hitting each other at higher speeds in the battle for territory, that is where the modern players would have the edge , just through basic physics.
No doubt the older players were harder in other areas , particularly dishing out a bit of knuckle and their ability to play injured .Ron Elvidge is the second one that springs to mind [right after Buck of course]
http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localsport/4030310-135/lions-conqueror-and-former-all-black
The former All Blacks captain died in Auckland on Saturday, aged 96.
Elvidge famously scored the match and series-winning try in the 6-3 third test triumph over the Lions in 1950, despite suffering a bad collarbone injury and facial wound.
The All Blacks were down to 13 men in the era of no injury replacements, after the great All Black and North Auckland centre JB Smith and Elvidge had both gone off injured.
Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
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@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
...Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
Have to love that quote.
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@Catogrande said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
...Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
Have to love that quote.
Looks like he had a very dry sense of humour, theres some footage of him playing here
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11838675
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@kiwiinmelb wrong thread ?
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@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
Ron Elvidge is the second one that springs to mind [right after Buck of course]
Read about Elvidge as a kid. Fantastic story
May be fable, but I was told he played part of the game with his arm in a sling
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@Catogrande said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
...Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
Have to love that quote.
Buck said something similar. Both from the same piece of granite
Meads' comment after taking a break for 18 stitches in the head in a French Test was different : "I just wanted to get back on and kill the bastard"....
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The skills are pretty much the same, though executed faster and for a greater period of the game.
Some of the kickers has a 75% conversion rate. With wet leather balls that's pretty `damn good.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Catogrande said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
...Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
Have to love that quote.
Buck said something similar. Both from the same piece of granite
Meads' comment after taking a break for 18 stitches in the head in a French Test was different : "I just wanted to get back on and kill the bastard"....
Meads used to tell the story about getting the stitches as part of his speech when he worked for Tanalith . Fred Allen had been winding him up about a French lock that was going to have him for breakfast.
First ruck he gets stomped and comes back in for some utu . Afterwards the lock comes up with a translator and points to his busted lip and black eye and asks why he did that to him . Meads has got a towel around his neck because his stitches are weeping points to his own wound and tells him it’s payback for stomping on his head .
French lock points to the number 8 on the other side of the aftetmatch and says it wasn’t him it was the number 8 . -
Not sure where else to post this but if anyone wants to watch old all black games this youtube channel has loads of them
Aboriginal Brotha
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@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Catogrande said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@jegga said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@kiwiinmelb said in RIP Tiny Hill:
@Bovidae said in RIP Tiny Hill:
A different breed and generation. Tiny Hill was a lock but at 1.88 m and 94kg was shorter and lighter than Rieko.
Backlines now , probably look as big if not bigger than forwards in that era,
I remember as a kid in the late 70s reading the player stats, the heaviest guys in the team were usually the props at 16 stone , that’s 101 kgs
Plenty of tough, hard buggers in those days. And size doesn't come into it.
Red Conway of that era was 86kg and 5' 9" and seriously hard, Had a finger amputated so he go on tour to SA in 1960. Grant Batty at 70kg and 5' 5" was an equally hard bastard. You just can't get away with the sort of stuff they did back then.
Sad, as BBBT would have been in his own personal heaven.
...Elvidge needed four stitches to his forehead, and one arm hung loose from a damaged collarbone, but he returned to the turf of Athletic Park.
The Otago second five-eight moved out to the wing and scored the winning try.
He had also scored in the first test on his Carisbrook home ground.
Elvidge never played for New Zealand again.
“My memory of the game is pretty minimal,” he told the NZ Herald in 2017.
Have to love that quote.
Looks like he had a very dry sense of humour, theres some footage of him playing here
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11838675
That man delivered me into the world!
