2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo)
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@canefan said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
The girls are on a mission
"never want to feel like that again"
Love that chat.Great thing about the women's competition is that it's legitimately the best women's rugby players in the world competing.
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@frye said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
"never want to feel like that again"
Love that chat.Great thing about the women's competition is that it's legitimately the best women's rugby players in the world competing.
As opposed to the Men's competition which is predominately populated by journeymen lolAnd it is basically NZ's to lose at this point. Don't think Australia have the firepower as demonstrated by the recent match ups.
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@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
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@antipodean said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
There are a lot of very similar players in the NZ sevens squad. Generally big, generally quick but not fast, generally good at all the basic skills, generally very, very fit. None of that skill set is going to get you far at international level 15s. There doesn't seem to be the spontaneous playmaker, outrageous runner/stepper or speed merchant that Sevens always used to throw up.
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Heard Dallas Seymour on radio this morning. He says that we play too little sevens in NZ. That players can't transition from 15-7's and so we need a domestic comp to uncover new talent.
He hinted that this is why we see the same faces consistently - compounded by COVID I guess.
Would like to see a domestic sevens series played early in the footy season to both unearth talent and give players more opportunities to learn and develop their skills. Compared it to Fiji where 7's is the main game and players are into it constantly from a very early age.
Also said that our team did well and could have won but for poor decision making under pressure and defensive lapses.
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@antipodean said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
That's more to do with better talent identification in the XVs than a failing on the part of 7s.
In the early Titch days players were spotted at national 7s. Young players would do that tournament while the established XVs players were taking a break over summer. I remember how he used to camp out on the sideline and walk away with a list of potentials.
Not only has 7s become a more specialist code but XVs players are snapped up from exposure in 1st XV rugby which has become much bigger.
7s has turned to finding other athletes that they can turn into players rather than finding players that could be good at 7s. The Red Bull Ignite tournament is a vehicle for all sorts of aspiring athletes to see how they go in the sport.
The women's game is slightly different in that it is more like the old mens pathway.Put simply we aren't going to find the Cullys and Jonahs in 7s now as they would be contracted elsewhere while at school.
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Honestly I don't think this team is much worse than previous ones, I think the rest of the world has got a lot better, especially with the entry to the Olympics giving it a better platform and more funding access.
Our best players have always gravitated to the 15 man format so that's also nothing new. I think the suggestion of a national circuit is a good idea, but I suspect 7s generates very little revenue for nzr so they're never going to invest much.
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@bovidae said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
We've also seen how hard it is for XVs players (including ABs) to make the transition back to sevens. It's a totally different game to what sevens used to be like, and to XVs, requiring a leaner athlete and a different kind of fitness.
Yep, and to be fair much of our early dominance in sevens was because we treated it as a different game with different requirements while other countries selected a muddle of XVs players that were available.
We then kept ahead for a while based on experience and coaching while everyone else got up to speed.The Titch manual was picked up by other coaches and fitness levels raised.
I do think that there is room at the Olympics for a marquee player or two to be thrown in the mix. We did see how Kerevi struggled for more than a couple of minutes but I am thinking more like a DMac as playmaker or RIoane in bursts. -
@stargazer said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
FUCK UP YOU fluffybunnies I'M COMPETING TOMORROW!!!
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@dogmeat said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Heard Dallas Seymour on radio this morning. He says that we play too little sevens in NZ. That players can't transition from 15-7's and so we need a domestic comp to uncover new talent.
He hinted that this is why we see the same faces consistently - compounded by COVID I guess.
Would like to see a domestic sevens series played early in the footy season to both unearth talent and give players more opportunities to learn and develop their skills. Compared it to Fiji where 7's is the main game and players are into it constantly from a very early age.
Also said that our team did well and could have won but for poor decision making under pressure and defensive lapses.
We used to have a system where lots of guys cut their teeth and learnt how to be professionals in 7s before then becoming top 15s players - think of Cullen, Loki, Osborne, Mils, Rodney, Rico Gear, Rokocoko etc
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@junior said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@dogmeat said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Heard Dallas Seymour on radio this morning. He says that we play too little sevens in NZ. That players can't transition from 15-7's and so we need a domestic comp to uncover new talent.
He hinted that this is why we see the same faces consistently - compounded by COVID I guess.
Would like to see a domestic sevens series played early in the footy season to both unearth talent and give players more opportunities to learn and develop their skills. Compared it to Fiji where 7's is the main game and players are into it constantly from a very early age.
Also said that our team did well and could have won but for poor decision making under pressure and defensive lapses.
We used to have a system where lots of guys cut their teeth and learnt how to be professionals in 7s before then becoming top 15s players - think of Cullen, Loki, Osborne, Mils, Rodney, Rico Gear, Rokocoko etc
to make you feel old, that was 20-25 years ago. Things have changed just a little bit.
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@taniwharugby 12 months i reckon. 12 months of training and playing and they would be fuuuuuucking hard to stop. Those guys are genetic freaks.
Receivers, running backs, linebackers and safeties.
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@taniwharugby that was hilarious when it blew up yesterday on Twitter.
Yeah mate - just got to teach them passing skills they've never possessed, how to tackle correctly, and the entire set of laws of the game.
Only took Carlin Isles 5 years to get the gist of it.
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@mariner4life said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@taniwharugby 12 months i reckon. 12 months of training and playing and they would be fuuuuuucking hard to stop. Those guys are genetic freaks.
Receivers, running backs, linebackers and safeties.
At least 12 months. They're amazing athletes but have no idea how to pass - a lot of the Yank converts still don't, and it shows - and the different awareness of space.
They're used to operating in narrow channels on very strict game plans, and the WR in particular don't do defence.
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Carlin Isles is not DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill or Derrick Henry.
If it's all they do for 12 months, gee i would love to see it.
Of course i wouldn't, because 7s pays what some of those guys make in a week.
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@nta not to mention fitness.
I reckon an all star NFL team would be fun to watch, but they'd get smoked.
Learning to tackle would be a massive hurdle, just to keep players on the park!
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