AB RWC squad
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I saw on the 1014 video that recent world cup winning starting sides had only ever played together in that combination once prior to the final. What this tells you is it is rare that your top 15 prior to the WC will play in the final. It is highly likely injuries will happen and to a lesser extent bolters like NMS. Given our history of injured 10's and its importance in the game I see it as a major weakness and risk in the squad only having 2.
However the issue is in the last 4 years we have not been able to identify, train and keep a 3rd 10 so the selectors have decided it is better to have a potential star in Reece and a known quantity in JB than bring Ioane.
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@canefan said in AB RWC squad:
@chimoaus we started the 4th 10 in 2011 didn't we? There are no guarantees, and replacements are either 12 hours away in a similar time zone, or hiding out somewhere in Tokyo or Yokohama for the duration of the tourney
The flight time to get there isn’t the issue though. The main issue is having to rule RM or BB out of the tournament completely in order to use that replacement when potentially RM and/or BB would be good to go the next round.
It isn’t an extremely rare scenario that would see RM and BB pick up relatively minor injuries in the pool stages and be due back for the semi.
Then you are faced with ruling one of them out for good to bring in a real 10 or starting Jordie/Crotty/TJP in a quarter final against Scotland or Ireland.Stupid risk IMO. All for an extra option on the wing.
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@chimoaus said in AB RWC squad:
I saw on the 1014 video that recent world cup winning starting sides had only ever played together in that combination once prior to the final. What this tells you is it is rare that your top 15 prior to the WC will play in the final. It is highly likely injuries will happen and to a lesser extent bolters like NMS. Given our history of injured 10's and its importance in the game I see it as a major weakness and risk in the squad only having 2.
However the issue is in the last 4 years we have not been able to identify, train and keep a 3rd 10 so the selectors have decided it is better to have a potential star in Reece and a known quantity in JB than bring Ioane.
That’s not entirely true. They were breeding DMac as that next option and even used him.
There’s no doubt that if he were fit they would’ve taken all of Barrett, Mo’unga and DMac. The reality is that there are only so many players that can be tried.
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@ACT-Crusader They also had a look at Brett Cameron and judged him not good enough and Josh Ioane and judged him not really ready yet.
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@akan004 said in AB RWC squad:
If it ever got to a desperate situation where both our 10s are out of WC, I hope that they will decide to break protocol and get someone like Cruden or Sopoaga in.
Sops was awful for Wasps last season. Cruden is okay for Montpellier, but not the player he was.
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@sparky said in AB RWC squad:
@akan004 said in AB RWC squad:
If it ever got to a desperate situation where both our 10s are out of WC, I hope that they will decide to break protocol and get someone like Cruden or Sopoaga in.
Sops was awful for Wasps last season. Cruden is okay for Montpellier, but not the player he was.
Yeah but would still rather have a couple of experienced guys over players who have never played Test rugby before.
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@akan004 said in AB RWC squad:
@sparky said in AB RWC squad:
@akan004 said in AB RWC squad:
If it ever got to a desperate situation where both our 10s are out of WC, I hope that they will decide to break protocol and get someone like Cruden or Sopoaga in.
Sops was awful for Wasps last season. Cruden is okay for Montpellier, but not the player he was.
Yeah but would still rather have a couple of experienced guys over players who have never played Test rugby before.
If we get that far down I reckon they could bring in Ioane and they will play someone in the existing side as the 10
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@sparky Perofeta? That makes me laugh. How many games at SR level has he played this year? Yeah right. He was thoroughly disappointing when he last played and played at fullback. He is still very far behind the likes of Otere Black or Mitch Hunt at this stage, even if he has the potential (and that's still a big 'if') to become better than them.
If they decide to call up a 10, it will be Ioane and nobody else.
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@Stargazer said in AB RWC squad:
@canefan Do we pin our RWC hopes on one player? There are 23 players in a match day squad.
10 is no ordinary position. If Richie and BB go down would you prefer Ioane or one of the existing squad members in at 10?
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@canefan I trust the judgment of the coaches, whatever decision that leads to. Only they have been able to watch Josh Ioane during ABs training and are able to assess whether he's ready or whether they should entrust the likes of Crotty, Jordie and/or TJP with the first five duties in emergencies. We don't have the full picture.
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@Stargazer said in AB RWC squad:
@canefan I trust the judgment of the coaches, whatever decision that leads to. Only they have been able to watch Josh Ioane during ABs training and are able to assess whether he's ready or whether they should entrust the likes of Crotty, Jordie and/or TJP with the first five duties in emergencies. We don't have the full picture.
I trust them too. And they have made their intentions clear by only picking 2 10s
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@canefan said in AB RWC squad:
Serious question, would we really be comfortable pinning our RWC hopes on a player who can count their number of test appearances on one hand? Not me
Even with everyone now selected, I’d hope we aren’t pinning our hopes on any one player, let alone a player not even in the squad 😎
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@canefan said in AB RWC squad:
@Stargazer said in AB RWC squad:
@canefan I trust the judgment of the coaches, whatever decision that leads to. Only they have been able to watch Josh Ioane during ABs training and are able to assess whether he's ready or whether they should entrust the likes of Crotty, Jordie and/or TJP with the first five duties in emergencies. We don't have the full picture.
I trust them too. And they have made their intentions clear by only picking 2 10s
We got through the RC and Bledisloe by only playing Mo’unga and Barrett. I know anything could happen, but it does show that the worse doesn’t always happen
