NBA season 2019/20
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
That. Was. Awesome.
I forgot how much I hated the Jazz. Bunch of speccy white fluffybunnies. Stockton looks like he does your tax return.
I love Reggie Miller though, so great to hear him. He's such a cheeky fucker.
Everything about MJ just screams that he's the king. Even now. He just has presence.
I'm gonna binge watch that one rainy day.
It's funny I used to hate Reggie as a kid because of the trash-talking etc. but as I've grown older (and admired those traits in other athletes) I've become a big fan. Also, he hasn't aged a day since 1998!
As for MJ, Le Bron ain't got shit on him and this series is a timely reminder of that fact!
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@junior Reggie hasn't. Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him and the Knicks? It's pretty funny
I read a great quote from Jalen Rose about how in LBJ's era all the great players get a turn to win a ring, in MJs time no one got a turn.
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Reggie vs Spike Lee is one of the best stories in NBA playoff history.
He's not bad for the second best player in his family.
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@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
Reggie vs Spike Lee is one of the best stories in NBA playoff history.
He's not bad for the second best player in his family.
That’s a great story when she talks about kicking his ass constantly when they were younger.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
I should say, by no means would i want air time devoted to boring scenes showing Mike walking his kids to school, or laying in bed with a fat stogie after honing out the ex wife, but you'd think there would be something. It's one thing to say they're not part of the basketball story, but to not have featured - bar a brief appearance and one throwaway comnent - thus far in eight episodes which predominantly follow MJ, seems like a deliberate marginalisation.
Wouldn't MJ have said, hey, if you want balance in this doco which has me coming off largely as a prick, how about we show how much I love my kids? And while we're at it, I had some tough times off the court in my marriage too, so maybe that should be part of the narrative?
Because the doco maker was explicit that that had nothing to do with the story he wanted to tell.
This is the bit I love most.
'Look, winning has a price and leadership has a price. So I pulled people along when they didn’t want to be pulled. I challenged people when they didn’t want to be challenged. And I earned that right because my teammates who came after me didn’t endure all the things that I endured. Once you joined the team, you lived at a certain standard that I played the game. And I wasn’t going to take any less. Now if that means I had to go in there and get in your ass a little bit, then I did that. You ask all my teammates. The one thing about Michael Jordan was he never asked me to do something that he didn’t fucking do. When people see this they are going say, ‘Well he wasn’t really a nice guy. He may have been a tyrant.’ Well, that’s you. Because you never won anything. I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win to be a part of that as well. Look, I don’t have to do this. I am only doing it because it is who I am. That’s how I played the game. That was my mentality. If you don’t want to play that way, don’t play that way.”'
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@junior Reggie hasn't. Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him and the Knicks? It's pretty funny
I read a great quote from Jalen Rose about how in LBJ's era all the great players get a turn to win a ring, in MJs time no one got a turn.
Yeah good point about everyone getting a ring these days. Seems to be much more "glory hunting" than there was in MJ's day. (Obviously guys moved around back then too, but it seemed much less prevalent and not as many moved during their peak years in order to get the ring.)
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Saw a good quote the other day from his old trainer (Tim Grover he has an awesome book IMO).
"The ad said 'be like Mike' not 'like Mike' you don't have to be liked you have to be respected".
In other non MJ news I am coming out of retirement....
Card collecting retirement. Some decent money and good liquidity in them these days. Been doing a bit of learning.
Me and 5 mates are just about to do our first 'live break' where you all chip in and buy a box of cards (we brought 2 different boxes) was $250 each. We then had a random wheel pick our names and had a draft so we all get 6 teams each and whatever cards come out from your teams you get them. At the moment the rookie cards with most value are Zion and Ja Morant so I was stoked to get the second pick and land the Grizzles.
Looking forward to jumping on zoom this weekend and having one of the boys open the packets for us.
Haven't been this excited in a long time.
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@junior said in NBA season 2019/20:
@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@junior Reggie hasn't. Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him and the Knicks? It's pretty funny
I read a great quote from Jalen Rose about how in LBJ's era all the great players get a turn to win a ring, in MJs time no one got a turn.
Yeah good point about everyone getting a ring these days. Seems to be much more "glory hunting" than there was in MJ's day. (Obviously guys moved around back then too, but it seemed much less prevalent and not as many moved during their peak years in order to get the ring.)
Player power wasn't as prevalent back then. As Simmons said recently, in the modern era MJ and Scottie would have simply said to Reinsdorf that Krause needs to go and they need to bring Phil back. And it would have happened. And Scottie would have been paid.
Not sure it's a fair reflection to say that modern guys are just chasing rings, they just know their power now and use it accordingly.
As for LeBron, yeah he's a clear #2 to MJ. But I also think he's a clear step ahead of Kareem, Russell, Magic and Bird. His career has been phenomenal, his 8 straight finals overblown but his supposedly poor finals record massively overplayed. The Cavs teams he dragged to the finals were so poor in comparison to anything MJ carried, and the GSW (in particular) team was markedly better than anything MJ faced. Some of the stats that LeBron produced in those series' are otherwordly, and really unlikely to be repeated.
The guy is a beast, and I have no doubt that he works just as hard as MJ, his body and longevity are surely a testament to that.
That last episode was superb. The best of the series by a country mile. Just basketball.
I came out of it all not leaning too much new, but having MJ reinforced as a prick, a classic personality formed by his uber competitiveness combined with years of being surrounded by yes-men.
But what a fucking player and absolutely no doubt as to who is the GOAT.
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The player power thing is far and away the worst thing about the modern game. I can't stand how players can manufacture a team and the domino effects that can follow. And the ring chasing is just as bad. I did think several times throughout the series, had that Bulls core been formed twenty years later in 2009, how different it may have been in terms of second-tier and role players. Would the likes of Steve Kerr ever had a chance, or would MJ have demanded they sign Chris Paul? Would he have put up with Scott Burrell or demand he be traded?
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@voodoo I agree re LeBron dragging the Cavs kicking and screaming past the Warriors, but not so much that they were such a poor team compared to what Jordan had. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and even an old Richard Jefferson made for a quality support crew amongst others. They're just not the all round team loaded with stars the Warriors were. So he gets credit for competing with the Warriors but it wasn't like he was Patrick Ewing on the Knicks.
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@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
Reggie vs Spike Lee is one of the best stories in NBA playoff history.
He's not bad for the second best player in his family.
I loved those clashes. Pure entertainment.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo I agree re LeBron dragging the Cavs kicking and screaming past the Warriors, but not so much that they were such a poor team compared to what Jordan had. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and even an old Richard Jefferson made for a quality support crew amongst others. They're just not the all round team loaded with stars the Warriors were. So he gets credit for competing with the Warriors but it wasn't like he was Patrick Ewing on the Knicks.
Yeah, the poor Cavs comment is the early Cavs teams. The latter team was much better, it just had no chance against GSW. That said, Love and Kyrie were only ever BOTH good in 2017, in other years ome of them sucked / was inexperienced / was injured.
I actually think Kyrie was a great sidekick for LeBron, he was able to be the alpha scorer in the crunch where Lebron couldn't be, and LeBron could cover all his defensive lapses.
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Irving should have realised he was a sidekick. Sadly he's a fucking dropkick.
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
That. Was. Awesome.
I forgot how much I hated the Jazz. Bunch of speccy white fluffybunnies. Stockton looks like he does your tax return.
I love Reggie Miller though, so great to hear him. He's such a cheeky fucker.
Everything about MJ just screams that he's the king. Even now. He just has presence.
I'm gonna binge watch that one rainy day.
I actually liked the Jazz. I never cheered for them, but I respected the hell out of them. Stockton might look like your tax guy, but he was an evil little prick, all elbows and filth . Competitive as they come. The Mailman was/is the whitest black man alive, with all the coolness of Billy Ray Cyrus. But damn was he efficient. And I really liked Hornacek. But mostly I just liked the way they moved the ball. They must have averaged 1-2 dunks per game only, but they always found the open guy.
As for the LD, would you really binge that? I honestly don't think I'll ever watch it again. Over 10 episodes, I reckon there is 2 hours of quality footage that I could watch on repeat. But all those back-stories should be consigned to the cutting room floor. Great finish, but it really left me thinking about how good this could have been
Edit - I also love Reggie, fucking legend
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@voodoo Stockton was one of my favourite players. He might look like an IRS accountant, but he was a fierce competitor that knew how to win with the pieces around him. I would watch hours of how he played the 2 man game with Malone. The detail of when to dribble, when to take the step off the screen, what holes presented for the pass.
I was fortunate to play a lot of ball when I was younger with a Samoan mate who was the teenage equivalent of Karl Malone. Big, strong and a beast around the basket.
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And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
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@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo Stockton was one of my favourite players. He might look like an IRS accountant, but he was a fierce competitor that knew how to win with the pieces around him. I would watch hours of how he played the 2 man game with Malone. The detail of when to dribble, when to take the step off the screen, what holes presented for the pass.
I was fortunate to play a lot of ball when I was younger with a Samoan mate who was the teenage equivalent of Karl Malone. Big, strong and a beast around the basket.
I probably played against more of those guys than with - unfortunately! I was the classic undersized forward at school.
Ahh, the memories! A mate of mine put our schoolboys national final on YouTube for all to enjoy a few years back, I tried to get my kid to watch it but it's fair to say he was underwhelmed by the spectacle...🤣
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
Best FT from the 90s was MJ answering Mutumbo's trash talking by shooting with his eyes closed and making it
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None of them are shooting guards so that's helpful for a start.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark dunno if it was meant to be a "team" or a "top 5", but either way its classic Magic, just kowtow to the current stars.
Great player, shit coach and GM
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@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark dunno if it was meant to be a "team" or a "top 5", but either way its classic Magic, just kowtow to the current stars.
Great player, shit coach and GM
It also kills me that he gets kudos , along with other sports stars to be fair, for being an "amazing businessman".
It's so dumb. The guy gets presented a thousand deals a year that go through multiple layers of vetting before he even sees them (if he ever does). But your average bloke with his head screwed on, doesnt get to see any of these opportunities.
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Anyone think we are getting a resolution to the season this year?
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark dunno if it was meant to be a "team" or a "top 5", but either way its classic Magic, just kowtow to the current stars.
Great player, shit coach and GM
It also kills me that he gets kudos , along with other sports stars to be fair, for being an "amazing businessman".
It's so dumb. The guy gets presented a thousand deals a year that go through multiple layers of vetting before he even sees them (if he ever does). But your average bloke with his head screwed on, doesnt get to see any of these opportunities.
He still has to pick and choose the right deals. The sports landscape is littered with retired sportspeople that lost all there money on a succession of deals gone bad. But you are right, he has massive opportunities, albeit won on the back of a stellar career
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@canefan for sure he does. But half the battle is origination of opportunities. And he would see 50x more deals than the average bloke, and would have a solid team aound him doing the real work. Its a privileged position, and he's not some investment savant because of it
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@canefan for sure he does. But half the battle is origination of opportunities. And he would see 50x more deals than the average bloke, and would have a solid team aound him doing the real work. Its a privileged position, and he's not some investment savant because of it
Nope. He ain't Warren Buffett
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@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
Best FT from the 90s was MJ answering Mutumbo's trash talking by shooting with his eyes closed and making it
My favourite FT of all time is Bo Kimble shooting a left handed FT in the first round of the NCAA tourney after his friend and team mate Hank Gathers died. What a tandem they were.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Good old Magic, going out on a limb again...He has to have the worst player/analyst ability ratio going around.
Silly to leave Kawhi out (over Curry for me), but otherwise he has just picked the 5 best guys!
I reckon both Leonard and Paul George would be successful back then. I see similarities in both their games with Pippen.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@canefan for sure he does. But half the battle is origination of opportunities. And he would see 50x more deals than the average bloke, and would have a solid team aound him doing the real work. Its a privileged position, and he's not some investment savant because of it
This. Also, a lot of these guys are already fucking loaded, so they don't need to take the riskier opportunities presented to them. They can literally afford to wait for the next sure thing to come along.
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
Best FT from the 90s was MJ answering Mutumbo's trash talking by shooting with his eyes closed and making it
My favourite FT of all time is Bo Kimble shooting a left handed FT in the first round of the NCAA tourney after his friend and team mate Hank Gathers died. What a tandem they were.
I'm no Kobe fan generally, but it's pretty hard to go past him making a pair on a busted achilles
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@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
Best FT from the 90s was MJ answering Mutumbo's trash talking by shooting with his eyes closed and making it
How good do you have to be to pull that off!!?? What a champ.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyone think we are getting a resolution to the season this year?
Talk of an abbreviated tournament at Disney in Orlando
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark dunno if it was meant to be a "team" or a "top 5", but either way its classic Magic, just kowtow to the current stars.
I meant it'd be easier to succeed in the MJ era if you played any other position. So why would Magic suggest a Klay or D Book as examples.
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The fallout:
Pippen
Grant
Thomas
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
The fallout:
Pippen
Grant
Thomas
And just like that, MJ is far and away the biggest name in basketball all over again.
Butthurt articles from lessor players
Butthurt articles from teenage LBJ fansWhile the king sits and smiles
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@mariner4life Horace looks like even more of a snitch now and is reacting because Lebron sycophant Shannon Sharpe has called him out for not giving MJ an ass whooping.
If indeed Pippen is "Livid" he's missed the large portion of the doco where he's made out to look like a young kid that became a badass and one of the best players ever. "there's no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen" And he's livid. Gets a massive shout out for playing the whole game with his back out and he's livid. GTFOH
We already knew Isiah was going to say some bullshit.
But it's popping off now. Jordan is going to be the greatest on one side of the coin and Ty Cobb on the other.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
@mariner4life Horace looks like even more of a snitch now and is reacting because Lebron sycophant Shannon Sharpe has called him out for not giving MJ an ass whooping.
If indeed Pippen is "Livid" he's missed the large portion of the doco where he's made out to look like a young kid that became a badass and one of the best players ever. "there's no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen" And he's livid. Gets a massive shout out for playing the whole game with his back out and he's livid. GTFOH
We already know Isiah was going to say some bullshit.
But it's popping off now. Jordan is going to be the greatest on one side of the coin and Ty Cobb on the other.
Horace popping off because he did it. Suck it up mate. Part of the story is the Bulls sucked, then Jordan arrived. Pretty much everyone knew what the culture was, and this was in the 80s.
I doubt Pippen is pissed at all. And if he is, then he's waaaay more sensitive than Jordon is being made out to be in the retcon articles that are pouring out now.
Everyone hates Isiah, so he should probably just shut the fuck up. And walking off the court like that was a total bitch move however you want to paint it.
Right now it's people, once again, trying to make money/a name, off the back of Jordan.
Fucking GOAT
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