NBA season 2019/20
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@junior Reggie hasn't. Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him and the Knicks? It's pretty funny
I read a great quote from Jalen Rose about how in LBJ's era all the great players get a turn to win a ring, in MJs time no one got a turn.
Yeah good point about everyone getting a ring these days. Seems to be much more "glory hunting" than there was in MJ's day. (Obviously guys moved around back then too, but it seemed much less prevalent and not as many moved during their peak years in order to get the ring.)
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Saw a good quote the other day from his old trainer (Tim Grover he has an awesome book IMO).
"The ad said 'be like Mike' not 'like Mike' you don't have to be liked you have to be respected".
In other non MJ news I am coming out of retirement....
Card collecting retirement. Some decent money and good liquidity in them these days. Been doing a bit of learning.
Me and 5 mates are just about to do our first 'live break' where you all chip in and buy a box of cards (we brought 2 different boxes) was $250 each. We then had a random wheel pick our names and had a draft so we all get 6 teams each and whatever cards come out from your teams you get them. At the moment the rookie cards with most value are Zion and Ja Morant so I was stoked to get the second pick and land the Grizzles.
Looking forward to jumping on zoom this weekend and having one of the boys open the packets for us.
Haven't been this excited in a long time.
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@junior said in NBA season 2019/20:
@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@junior Reggie hasn't. Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him and the Knicks? It's pretty funny
I read a great quote from Jalen Rose about how in LBJ's era all the great players get a turn to win a ring, in MJs time no one got a turn.
Yeah good point about everyone getting a ring these days. Seems to be much more "glory hunting" than there was in MJ's day. (Obviously guys moved around back then too, but it seemed much less prevalent and not as many moved during their peak years in order to get the ring.)
Player power wasn't as prevalent back then. As Simmons said recently, in the modern era MJ and Scottie would have simply said to Reinsdorf that Krause needs to go and they need to bring Phil back. And it would have happened. And Scottie would have been paid.
Not sure it's a fair reflection to say that modern guys are just chasing rings, they just know their power now and use it accordingly.
As for LeBron, yeah he's a clear #2 to MJ. But I also think he's a clear step ahead of Kareem, Russell, Magic and Bird. His career has been phenomenal, his 8 straight finals overblown but his supposedly poor finals record massively overplayed. The Cavs teams he dragged to the finals were so poor in comparison to anything MJ carried, and the GSW (in particular) team was markedly better than anything MJ faced. Some of the stats that LeBron produced in those series' are otherwordly, and really unlikely to be repeated.
The guy is a beast, and I have no doubt that he works just as hard as MJ, his body and longevity are surely a testament to that.
That last episode was superb. The best of the series by a country mile. Just basketball.
I came out of it all not leaning too much new, but having MJ reinforced as a prick, a classic personality formed by his uber competitiveness combined with years of being surrounded by yes-men.
But what a fucking player and absolutely no doubt as to who is the GOAT.
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The player power thing is far and away the worst thing about the modern game. I can't stand how players can manufacture a team and the domino effects that can follow. And the ring chasing is just as bad. I did think several times throughout the series, had that Bulls core been formed twenty years later in 2009, how different it may have been in terms of second-tier and role players. Would the likes of Steve Kerr ever had a chance, or would MJ have demanded they sign Chris Paul? Would he have put up with Scott Burrell or demand he be traded?
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@voodoo I agree re LeBron dragging the Cavs kicking and screaming past the Warriors, but not so much that they were such a poor team compared to what Jordan had. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and even an old Richard Jefferson made for a quality support crew amongst others. They're just not the all round team loaded with stars the Warriors were. So he gets credit for competing with the Warriors but it wasn't like he was Patrick Ewing on the Knicks.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo I agree re LeBron dragging the Cavs kicking and screaming past the Warriors, but not so much that they were such a poor team compared to what Jordan had. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and even an old Richard Jefferson made for a quality support crew amongst others. They're just not the all round team loaded with stars the Warriors were. So he gets credit for competing with the Warriors but it wasn't like he was Patrick Ewing on the Knicks.
Yeah, the poor Cavs comment is the early Cavs teams. The latter team was much better, it just had no chance against GSW. That said, Love and Kyrie were only ever BOTH good in 2017, in other years ome of them sucked / was inexperienced / was injured.
I actually think Kyrie was a great sidekick for LeBron, he was able to be the alpha scorer in the crunch where Lebron couldn't be, and LeBron could cover all his defensive lapses.
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
That. Was. Awesome.
I forgot how much I hated the Jazz. Bunch of speccy white fluffybunnies. Stockton looks like he does your tax return.
I love Reggie Miller though, so great to hear him. He's such a cheeky fucker.
Everything about MJ just screams that he's the king. Even now. He just has presence.
I'm gonna binge watch that one rainy day.
I actually liked the Jazz. I never cheered for them, but I respected the hell out of them. Stockton might look like your tax guy, but he was an evil little prick, all elbows and filth . Competitive as they come. The Mailman was/is the whitest black man alive, with all the coolness of Billy Ray Cyrus. But damn was he efficient. And I really liked Hornacek. But mostly I just liked the way they moved the ball. They must have averaged 1-2 dunks per game only, but they always found the open guy.
As for the LD, would you really binge that? I honestly don't think I'll ever watch it again. Over 10 episodes, I reckon there is 2 hours of quality footage that I could watch on repeat. But all those back-stories should be consigned to the cutting room floor. Great finish, but it really left me thinking about how good this could have been
Edit - I also love Reggie, fucking legend
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@voodoo Stockton was one of my favourite players. He might look like an IRS accountant, but he was a fierce competitor that knew how to win with the pieces around him. I would watch hours of how he played the 2 man game with Malone. The detail of when to dribble, when to take the step off the screen, what holes presented for the pass.
I was fortunate to play a lot of ball when I was younger with a Samoan mate who was the teenage equivalent of Karl Malone. Big, strong and a beast around the basket.
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@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo Stockton was one of my favourite players. He might look like an IRS accountant, but he was a fierce competitor that knew how to win with the pieces around him. I would watch hours of how he played the 2 man game with Malone. The detail of when to dribble, when to take the step off the screen, what holes presented for the pass.
I was fortunate to play a lot of ball when I was younger with a Samoan mate who was the teenage equivalent of Karl Malone. Big, strong and a beast around the basket.
I probably played against more of those guys than with - unfortunately! I was the classic undersized forward at school.
Ahh, the memories! A mate of mine put our schoolboys national final on YouTube for all to enjoy a few years back, I tried to get my kid to watch it but it's fair to say he was underwhelmed by the spectacle...🤣
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
And how about Hornacek stroking his face 3 times (for his 3 children) before every FT attempt. It was so funny to watch but the ball usually went through the hoop.
Sure did, 88% career FT shooter.
I love some of the FT rituals. Some might remember the Harold Miner routine when he was USC. I was a dribble three times and spin the ball in both hands two times guy...
Best FT from the 90s was MJ answering Mutumbo's trash talking by shooting with his eyes closed and making it
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@canefan said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark dunno if it was meant to be a "team" or a "top 5", but either way its classic Magic, just kowtow to the current stars.
Great player, shit coach and GM
It also kills me that he gets kudos , along with other sports stars to be fair, for being an "amazing businessman".
It's so dumb. The guy gets presented a thousand deals a year that go through multiple layers of vetting before he even sees them (if he ever does). But your average bloke with his head screwed on, doesnt get to see any of these opportunities.
