Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?
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@jegga said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
I’m not sure it’s Hanson I completely blame , Foster was a terrible super rugby coach that somehow got into the all blacks coaching team and is now touted as Hanson’s replacement.
He got into the coaching team because Hansen wanted him pure and simple. Ditto MacLeod.
The appointment of MacLeod was really the first time I started questioning if Hansen still had it shortly after the Lions series started the rot.
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@sparky said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Lets be clear. The All Blacks must win next week at Eden Park or Steve Hansen will be sacked in ignominy. He has really lost the plot in the last 12 months. He has tolerated very low standards from too many players and many of the coaching staff. He is fighting for his job.
In retrospect it would have been better if he had retired after the Lions Series and Warren Garland had been given the gig. Hansen must rediscover the drive that led him to the top job in New Zealand and fast.
I think Razor or Wayne Smith would be possible caretakers if the NZRU need to fire Hansen.
That's not happening.
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@sparky said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Billy-Tell said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
What is the point of this thread?
Hansen is not going before Japan.
Disagree. NZRU will relieve him of his duties if next week's performance is as bad.
Bol.
Locks.
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@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
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@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
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@Machpants said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
First ever loss to Ireland, twice.
That's quite the underachievement
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@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Machpants said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
First ever loss to Ireland, twice.
That's quite the underachievement
Irish home venue, neutral venue
Thank fuck they haven't toured here since 2012 or it would be the trifecta
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@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
Given the actual quote was "Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here" and then, Houston, we've had a problem" maybe we're over it?
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@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
For starters I'm dropping the entire front row
Coles & Moody on the Bench Laulau starts at #3Hemepo starts
Bender goes to #15 with Mo'unga to #22
Laumape replaces Goodhue with ALB moving out to #13
Drop Rieko out of squad with Ennor at #11
Sevu Reece starts at #14 -
@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
Given the actual quote was "Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here" and then, Houston, we've had a problem" maybe we're over it?
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@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@booboo said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Wairau said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
Who are you changing?
That was ptetty much the number one team.
Given the actual quote was "Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here" and then, Houston, we've had a problem" maybe we're over it?
Just trying to look for positives.
Not to spoil the movie or anything but the astronauts survived ...
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@LABCAT said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Considering it doesn't look like the coaches know who the #1 lineup is with one pre-cup test to go, we are looking bad at the moment
Is the game against Tonga only a friendly?
Forgot about that one. We need all the reps we can get to try and make the top lineup appear like a team and not like a bunch of strangers
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@LABCAT said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@canefan said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
Considering it doesn't look like the coaches know who the #1 lineup is with one pre-cup test to go, we are looking bad at the moment
Is the game against Tonga only a friendly?
It's a "Pre RWC Warmup Match" It's only Tonga
A good set of Mitre 10 players could come together for a week, put on a ABs jersey and beat Tonga
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Sorry, put this in the wrong thread:
Watching the All Blacks bumbling, chopping and changing performances of late it’s hard not to conclude that no-one really is behind the wheel.
Of course, everyone is nodding sagely and saying all the right things - ‘we’re building, it’s going to take some time to gel, we don’t want to show our hand’ - but in the back of all their minds they’re really thinking ‘I really have absolutely no idea what the strategy is here.’ And that’s showing up with the way the team is playing.
Yes, there is a lot of frantic, headless chook stuff, playing at a million miles an hour, but without any evidence that anyone knows what the master plan is. You get the sense that they’re all over-programmed and excessively workshopped. The only time they gel is when they ditch whatever Whiteboard Wankery Foster has programmed into them before the game and switch to their own instincts as professional rugby players.
That’s why I think all the ruminating about selections here is just so much like shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic when it’s already hit the iceberg.
Of course, the loss of Retallick through injury, the inability to find a settled blind side, the signs of age and wear in the established props, the chopping and changing at midfield, the loss of form for Ben Smith and the absence of a Mr Dependable right-wing are all elements in the ABs’ plight.
But I think a lot of this stuff is more symptomatic of the Big Picture, which is one of mediocre coaching, lousy communication and poor game management. Anyone who has worked in the senior management of an organisation can see what is going on here. This is a failure of succession planning. My sense is Hansen has had one foot out the door for most of this World Cup cycle and has been content to leave a lot of the decision-making to Foster.
OK, so you might say ‘that WAS the succession plan’. But I also think they didn’t really factor Wayne Smith’s retirement into it. He was the brains trust. And I think the NZRU just had so much faith in Hansen that they didn’t see the hospital pass coming. My guess is that Foster has not won the confidence of the players and you can see that on the field. They are approaching matches with a disastrous combination of superficial bravado to mask an underlying complete lack of confidence in the game plan.
It’s an emperor’s new clothes scenario. Foster is not up to it. He’s been found out. But no-one at this stage of the cycle is willing to scream “He’s butt-naked!”
This is a natural thing with long-dominant organisations. They atrophy and what made them successful starts to work in reverse. Those at the top want to protect their legacy, but you often find that during their victory lap they are less willing to tolerate second-guessing. Foster was a safe choice for Hansen because he was part of the existing set-up. But if all you are doing is watering down what you had before, it becomes an inferior product.
Again, I don’t really think this is primarily about individual players, although there are elements of that. This is like Apple post-Steve Jobs. Everyone else catches up and there’s a tendency to sit on one’s laurels and stop innovating.
Bottom line is they’re done.
