Bledisloe #1
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was at a dinner and could only watch from the corner of my eye.
probs not likely to watch a replay. i don't think i've ever watched a replay of a loss.
of what i did manage to see we were out passioned and devoid of any creativity.
this year we seem to have forgotten about ball security and respecting the bloody thing. I think we are a team with a lot of players who are still yet to solidify their places. As some has mentioned here there are guys that may be better as impact players. Some players aren't the finished product and lack the polish they will no doubt eventually have. We are in a transition stage. For the longest time, we seemed to have a golden run of year after year selecting players already at that point. We also have a group of guys on the way out and perhaps some of which sharply declining in some areeas of play. Read is not an offensive threat at all. Franks is a liabilty all round IMO. Maybe Ben Smith is finally just a bit short of a gallop(IMO he has been dynamite the entire time hes been in Black. Consistently exceptional). When all of those things culminate young players and war horses who can't quite keep up, you're going to lose some games.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
This has not been mentioned enough. The option taking was poor.
Even allowing for us having to kick more because of bad territory.. we still kicked a lot more often than them.
It contributed to the forwards not performing.Just expanding on this: We had more kicks from hand than the Aussies. This is despite them having a significant possession advantage
Just for a rough gauge of how often we kicked I though I'd check the number of kicks per minute of possession (clock time, not ball in play time of course)
Aussie one kick every ~4mins 20secs
NZ one kick every ~1min 45secsNow plenty of that is forced by field position etc but its a rough measure of the frequency
It was clear pretty early in the match we were struggling to get possession. Also our defence was falling off tackles way before the card.
Yet we still voluntarily gave the ball back to them time after time.At least that should be relatively easy to fix
And so much off our kicking is ineffective - either charged down or direct to a defender. Kicks need to find open space and turn that defensive line around
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
Scott Barrett review adjourned to seek further evidence? Letter from mother?
He’s a good Christian lad, so perhaps the local priest?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
Scott Barrett review adjourned to seek further evidence? Letter from mother?
He’s a good Christian lad, so perhaps the local priest?
nouvelle donne? (new deal?)
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
Scott Barrett review adjourned to seek further evidence? Letter from mother?
Have to wonder what goes on in these committees. How hard is it to view the footage and make a decision?
Delay suggests standard decision is undesired. Shades of SOB whitewash?
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or props that do more than scrum.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe #1:
I was surprised with how little trouble the Savea/Cane/Read backrow caused us at the breakdown.
From memory they won three turnovers, one of which was dubious. But more than that, they rarely slowed our ball at all, allowing White to have a great platform to keep the attack rolling.
It's a chicken-and-egg discussion in some ways, because quick, front-foot ball allows our forwards to get over the gain line, which in turn makes it harder for the ABs to disrupt at the breakdown. But still I expected more from three world class players.
Retallick is such a huge loss, and once Barrett went off you were fielding a very light pack indeed. In the end Arnold, Naisirani and Salakai-Loto all had a field day, both in their clearouts and with ball in hand.
Can ANYONE explain why we chose to play first ten minutes of second half with only one lock?
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or AT LEAST ONE prop that does more than scrum.
Fixed.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or AT LEAST ONE prop that does more than scrum.
Fixed.
"Or AT LEAST ONE prop that actually does
more than scrumsomething. "Completely fixed.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@barbarian said in Bledisloe #1:
Can ANYONE explain why we chose to play first ten minutes of second half with only one lock?They made the judgement that keeping legs as fresh as possible (by giving Cane a second stint after the break thereby reducing Patty T’s workload) was better than whatever they have up at setpiece.
If they had a lead I’m sure the calculus would have been different. Playing from behind and with an already shortened bench after Goodhue went down it was probably the right call.
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@raznomore said in Bledisloe #1:
this year we seem to have forgotten about ball security and respecting the bloody thing.
Not just this year. The rot set in last RWC.
We were actually pretty good for much of the 2nd half and look sharper and more error-free than for some time. Need to build on that.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe #1:
Aussie media predictably getting wild over the Barrett hit. He was falling in a tackle when he was struck. Barrett wasn't even looking at him. No swinging arm. Poor technique and reckless, no filth imho
fuck him. rub him out for 3 months.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe #1:
We were actually pretty good for much of the 2nd half and look sharper and more error-free than for some time. Need to build on that.
Think I saw stats to that effect - Wallabies actually won the first half in terms of possession (obvs) as well as territory in terms of entries to the 22 or something.
Second half the ABs were actually better, but just couldn't convert to points.
