TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Billy-Webb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
This team is a fucking gamble, and the brains trust should face backlash if it doesn't work. But they won't, because the World Cup has fucked everything up.
A part-time fullback. Another new midfield, including a dude with serious doubts over current ability. A loose forward trio comprising of a seriously untested (at any level) rookie, and a veteran with form concerns. The bench contains a rookie, and a bloke who hasn't cut it at test level in any position.
Aah. I love the passion coming through.
And while you point out some valid concerns - what if it works?
And what would be the yardstick for it-has-failed or it-has-worked?Because I suspect that if the Boks win, you'll call it a fail - irrespective of how these combinations and individuals fared.
But you won't necessarily cut them the equal slack if the AB's win?Just asking
well, we won last week, and i judged nearly everything not the 7, 6 and 9 a failure. So there is that.
So, while you are angling for me to say something that you can label arrogant and entitled AB supporter, i think my posting history shows i am anything but
I am arrogant in many things, just not this.
I'm mates with him on Facebook. Believe me, there's nothing to be arrogant about whatsoever but this probably applies to all of us.
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Billy-Webb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
So, while you are angling for me to say something that you can label arrogant and entitled AB supporter, i think my posting history shows i am anything but
I am arrogant in many things, just not this.
Nope. Definitely not angling for any of that.
Maybe clumsily expressed, but the sentiment / question applies equally to me for the Boks.
Lot's of planning for the RWC taking place. But how to judge whether the experiments of personnel and combinations actually paid off?
A win glosses over failures of the experiment.
A loss takes the shine out of success of those particular risks.It does feel kind of late to be trying radically new stuff...
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel I hope it he breaks, he proper breaks, not a strain that means we carry this useless wreck who's had SFA games since the last world cup into the squad. He's played less games in the last 4 years that most play in a season, and the highlight is the ABs first red card for half a century & stuffing up our series against the Lions
I seriously reckon there has to be some sort of AB clause in his contract cos based on the SBW selection logic J Savea and NM Skudder would be battling out with Ioane and B Smith for a starting spot on the flanks.
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@Billy-Webb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Billy-Webb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
So, while you are angling for me to say something that you can label arrogant and entitled AB supporter, i think my posting history shows i am anything but
I am arrogant in many things, just not this.
Nope. Definitely not angling for any of that.
Maybe clumsily expressed, but the sentiment / question applies equally to me for the Boks.
Lot's of planning for the RWC taking place. But how to judge whether the experiments of personnel and combinations actually paid off?
A win glosses over failures of the experiment.
A loss takes the shine out of success of those particular risks.well, if anything that comes back to an earlier conversation today. The coaches are the only ones able to judge that. They may see a couple of points in a game that they think "yep, that worked, and that's what i want to see" and that's all they need. While we will look at a way bigger picture than that because we are not dealing with all the facts.
I reckon you can tell if a unit is working though. Result or no result.
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
well, if anything that comes back to an earlier conversation today. The coaches are the only ones able to judge that. They may see a couple of points in a game that they think "yep, that worked, and that's what i want to see" and that's all they need. While we will look at a way bigger picture than that because we are not dealing with all the facts.
I reckon you can tell if a unit is working though. Result or no result.
Agree with all of that.
But - and I'll speak for some Bok supporters I know - not sure they will take the same broad view.
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@MN5 easier with the anonymity of here with our made up name...whereas radio, i am sure I have heard a number call up, I know 1 def has.
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@Billy-Webb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
well, if anything that comes back to an earlier conversation today. The coaches are the only ones able to judge that. They may see a couple of points in a game that they think "yep, that worked, and that's what i want to see" and that's all they need. While we will look at a way bigger picture than that because we are not dealing with all the facts.
I reckon you can tell if a unit is working though. Result or no result.
Agree with all of that.
But - and I'll speak for some Bok supporters I know - not sure they will take the same broad view.
most don't. And that goes for all supporters. We are too emotionally invested, and way too hung up on our preconceived ideas and prejudices.
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel I hope it he breaks, he proper breaks, not a strain that means we carry this useless wreck who's had SFA games since the last world cup into the squad. He's played less games in the last 4 years that most play in a season, and the highlight is the ABs first red card for half a century & stuffing up our series against the Lions
I don't wish any harm on the fellow, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be there and he's about as reliable as a Soviet clock and just as likely to break.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel I hope it he breaks, he proper breaks, not a strain that means we carry this useless wreck who's had SFA games since the last world cup into the squad. He's played less games in the last 4 years that most play in a season, and the highlight is the ABs first red card for half a century & stuffing up our series against the Lions
I don't wish any harm on the fellow, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be there and he's about as reliable as a Soviet clock and just as likely to break.
I'm tempted not to even comment cos some valid points got deleted but to use your clock analogy he hasn't been right in goddamn ages and maybe Satdee night could be one of the two times this year ?
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@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel I hope it he breaks, he proper breaks, not a strain that means we carry this useless wreck who's had SFA games since the last world cup into the squad. He's played less games in the last 4 years that most play in a season, and the highlight is the ABs first red card for half a century & stuffing up our series against the Lions
I don't wish any harm on the fellow, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be there and he's about as reliable as a Soviet clock and just as likely to break.
I'm tempted not to even comment cos some valid points got deleted but to use your clock analogy he hasn't been right in goddamn ages and maybe Satdee night could be one of the two times this year ?
For sure. He could play well on Satdee, but is anyone here willing to bet a good slab of dosh that he'll be fully fit and available once the RWC starts? I don't think even those who would readily gulp on SBW's member would take that bet.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Rancid-Schnitzel I hope it he breaks, he proper breaks, not a strain that means we carry this useless wreck who's had SFA games since the last world cup into the squad. He's played less games in the last 4 years that most play in a season, and the highlight is the ABs first red card for half a century & stuffing up our series against the Lions
I don't wish any harm on the fellow, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be there and he's about as reliable as a Soviet clock and just as likely to break.
I'm tempted not to even comment cos some valid points got deleted but to use your clock analogy he hasn't been right in goddamn ages and maybe Satdee night could be one of the two times this year ?
For sure. He could play well on Satdee, but is anyone here willing to bet a good slab of dosh that he'll be fully fit and available once the RWC starts? I don't think even those who would readily gulp on SBW's member would take that bet.
He's marking Damien De Allende who fucked him over last year. No chance.
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@MN5 will you watch the game?
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 will you watch the game?
Corporate Box. I'll try not to get too pissed or full of food beforehand. I might hang a sign saying "Hi TR, wish you were here". ( you'll know it's for you )
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I’ve got this feeling the sbw selection at the RWC will either be a disaster or a master stroke, no inbetweens ,you just can’t imagine it going any other way, and either way there will be those saying , told ya so .
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
This team is a fucking gamble, and the brains trust should face backlash if it doesn't work. But they won't, because the World Cup has fucked everything up.
A part-time fullback. Another new midfield, including a dude with serious doubts over current ability. A loose forward trio comprising of a seriously untested (at any level) rookie, and a veteran with form concerns. The bench contains a rookie, and a bloke who hasn't cut it at test level in any position.
I think the backs selection is the most exciting we've picked for ages. I'm not too concerned about SBW being picked because the default "settled midfield" is Crotty-Goodhue. I think Hansen's preferred first choice option is SBW-Goodhue, so we're getting to see that.
Loose forward selections are slightly odd - but, I think Frizell now has the inside running as our starting six and Todd is only a touch behind Ardie and Cane. Really it's the bench selections that are a bit odd.
i don't actually disagree with any of this. I think the backs could be really good. But it could also be terrible. As i say, it's a risk, in a home game, against South Africa.
Frizzell is probably firming in to the 6 jersey, and the bits i saw of him at Super level started to look pretty pleasing. But again, he's not had a lot of rugby this year. With a 2nd thought, pairing him with Read and Todd as a combination might remove a little pressure from him.
I still find it astounding that we are playing the Boks at home, and our 3 best players from last week, 3 guys who are all basically top 15 players, are not starting, and only one is in the side at all.
They've shuffled the players around a bit, but there's not many missing from what I think is our best 23.
Scott Barrett is injured, Ryan Crotty is injured (and might not make that 23), they haven't picked Sam Cane, Ardie or Big Karl. But, a good Matt Todd game will be better than a mediocre Sam or Ardie game, so it's sort of just balance of probabilities there.
I'm pretty amped about this selection - we're going to find out some answers to a few nagging questions.
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@kiwiinmelb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I’ve got this feeling the sbw selection at the RWC will either be a disaster or a master stroke, no inbetweens ,you just can’t imagine it going any other way, and either way there will be those saying , told ya so .
My honest prediction is that he won’t make it to the RWC without picking up an injury. Then there will be whole saga about whether or not he will be fit in time. They will still pick him and carry him into the RWC injured. Then there will be a second saga about whether he will be fit for the finals or not.
Then something something we win the World cup.
