TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@nzzp said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Proof that SBW is running hard at rush defences and is a genuine threat.
It's a good theory which hardly ever works out. IMHO SBW is just too flaky to base a midfield around. Multiple fuck-ups for each miracle off-load - that's when he's not injured
Just concerned we end up going into crucial games with a 12/13 combo (sans SBW) which could benefit with some serious game time.
Agree, and when SBW doesn't stuff up his basic passing skills are not up to international midfield standard. He lacks the instinct to consistently put players in in a good position - whether it be through bad timing or bad execution (watch how many times players have to stop to catch one of his passes rather than run on to it in space).
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@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
They only took 3 specialist locks in 2015 so I see Patty T on the outside looking in for Japan.
Chicago likely changed their perception of the limits of covering lock with non-specialists. They very likely could roll the dice and take three specialists plus Fifita/Frizell like you suggest - but with all three in top 23 that will be some tall timber playing a lot of minutes four years older. For that to happen though they would want all three at 100% health.
The problem isn't a potentially tournament ending injury - the replacement is academic, it's Brodie or Whitelock picking up a 4-6 week injury in the Tongan test or vs the Boks.
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@Crazy-Horse I think it is clear to see SBW has been a key figure in the coaches plans for the past 18 months, just his injuries and Goodhue getting ill has hindered the chances of them forming a partnership, and now I think we finally get what I think is thier preferred mid-field pairing, it is now upto SBW to deliver.
My preference would still be ALB-JG, but I guess we will see after Saturday.
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@taniwharugby yeah the SBW/Goodhue combo looked good when they did get the chance (against France wasn't it? If it was the same game McKenzie looked good at 10, I am not sure how much credence we can give that performance).
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
They only took 3 specialist locks in 2015 so I see Patty T on the outside looking in for Japan.
Chicago likely changed their perception of the limits of covering lock with non-specialists. They very likely could roll the dice and take three specialists plus Fifita/Frizell like you suggest - but with all three in top 23 that will be some tall timber playing a lot of minutes four years older. For that to happen though they would want all three at 100% health.
The problem isn't a potentially tournament ending injury - the replacement is academic, it's Brodie or Whitelock picking up a 4-6 week injury in the Tongan test or vs the Boks.
You could be right but then you would select a lock who can play 6 not the other way around. At the risk of repeating myself out of the 3 options in the current squad, that is Hemopo. Fifita has said himself he is a reluctant lock, while Tuipulotu could play 6 but is not a natural in that position.
All questions to be answered in time.
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ABs are well stocked at Lock for 2019 RWC
When Hemepo is 4th choice you're doing wellProblem is in 2020 when only S Barett returns
Likes of Patty T have no business playing best Int'l sides
Best suited to starting against Mickey Mouse teams like Japan, Italy etc -
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
ABs are well stocked at Lock for 2019 RWC
When Hemepo is 4th choice you're doing wellProblem is in 2020 when only S Barett returns
Likes of Patty T have no business playing best Int'l sides
Best suited to starting against Mickey Mouse teams like Japan, Italy, Argentina etcfixed
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@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Ok, now it has been confirmed. WTF is Fifita doing there? We are in serious trouble if one of the locks go down.
Todd i can deal with. Bit strange not having Ardie or Cane on the bench but Boks will be a good test for Pap’s.
Looking forward to seeing how Frizzel goes too.SBW needed a run to see if he is actually up to it anymore. Im picking he won’t last the game and will pick up another 6-8 week injury.
Really like the look of that 10-14-15 set up. Lots of people said it would never happen. Hoping it goes well and can become a realistic option for the big games.
Keeping his powder dry until he plays at home.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
My preference would still be ALB-JG, but I guess we will see after Saturday.
Agreed, That said, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong over SBW
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I'm still astounded there's no Cane or Savea. Also, I thought they would have started Papali'i with Todd there as back up in case it goes wrong.
I assume Papali'i is in there due to his versatility on the bench so would have thought they'd test him by giving him a start.
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Chicago likely changed their perception of the limits of covering lock with non-specialists.
Well, one would farking hope so.
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@Nepia said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'm still astounded there's no Cane or Savea.
Perhaps they only play them in friendlies?
One reason, I guess, could be to give Matt a good run-out against top quality opposition.
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Geez I'm with @Stargazer people really do underestimate Todd. He's a quality performer.
fuck, not you as well. Cheese with the whine?
No one underestimates Todd. Pretty much everyone in the country thinks he's damn good player. The problem is, he's the 3rd ranked openside. And he only plays openside. So, unless they are planning on starting both Cane and Savea, there isn't a huge chance he makes the plane. And therefore giving him this game is a bit of a waste of time.
And the only criticism i have seen is he's not exactly physical in the tackle. And that's pretty fair i would have thought.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Todd is Pocock - Good tackler who is great over the ball Average in attack
Cane is like Hooper - Not as good over the ball but is versatile to his teamstop proving how little you actually know about rugby, this is about as far away from valid as is possible to get.
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Not picking a specialist lock on the bench and instead two two loosies would be pretty concerning for Tuipolotou, who's definitely 4th lock at best once Barrett is fit.
Patty T is safe to me. He is just locked in a weird position where he can't force play his way into the match day 22 and there seems little appetite to supplant him as the fourth best lock. They need to take specialist lock coverage given Whitelock/Rettalick will be carried in the squad if injured early but still have the potential of coming right for a semi or final.
He is a bit years Colin Slade, needs a modicum of game time to keep him fit, but otherwise he can just sit tight.
In 2015, though, we took only three specialist locks and six loosies. I think they'll follow the same formula, so I reckon Patty only makes the plane if they plan to use Scott Barrett as a blindside flanker.
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@pakman said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Big Karl and Big Patty T. look like significant losers with this selection.
Ofa and Angus as the bench props would be concerning for both Karl and Nepo Laulala, since it points a bit to one of those two missing the RWC cut - and since Karl hasn't been given a run, maybe it's him in the gun.
Karl T is very clearly no. 2 LH at scrum time, so it's one of him/Moli. Ofa seems to have shown he can cover both sides, so think the real call is Laulala/Ta'Avao.
You'd think so, but it is very surprising to me that Karl hasn't been given any game time in either match so far. Seemed like someone mentioned there were a few question marks about his fitness - so maybe they're focusing on getting him fitter.
Would be pretty unbalanced if they took three tightheads and Moody and Ofa as their looseheads. I don't think Ta'avao could cover loosehead at international level and I don't really see Moli as much more than "in the frame".
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Geez I'm with @Stargazer people really do underestimate Todd. He's a quality performer.
fuck, not you as well. Cheese with the whine?
No one underestimates Todd. Pretty much everyone in the country thinks he's damn good player. The problem is, he's the 3rd ranked openside. And he only plays openside. So, unless they are planning on starting both Cane and Savea, there isn't a huge chance he makes the plane. And therefore giving him this game is a bit of a waste of time.
And the only criticism i have seen is he's not exactly physical in the tackle. And that's pretty fair i would have thought.
What the fark? That's a whine? Yeah good one...
As for what you think is fair...Well yeah it would be if it was true. Thankfully you'll be able to verify that in the weekend eh.
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This team is a fucking gamble, and the brains trust should face backlash if it doesn't work. But they won't, because the World Cup has fucked everything up.
A part-time fullback. Another new midfield, including a dude with serious doubts over current ability. A loose forward trio comprising of a seriously untested (at any level) rookie, and a veteran with form concerns. The bench contains a rookie, and a bloke who hasn't cut it at test level in any position.
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@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
You'd think so, but it is very surprising to me that Karl hasn't been given any game time in either match so far. Seemed like someone mentioned there were a few question marks about his fitness - so maybe they're focusing on getting him fitter.
Health might be a better word. Whatever the illness was, he was out of rugby for a long time
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Geez I'm with @Stargazer people really do underestimate Todd. He's a quality performer.
fuck, not you as well. Cheese with the whine?
No one underestimates Todd. Pretty much everyone in the country thinks he's damn good player. The problem is, he's the 3rd ranked openside. And he only plays openside. So, unless they are planning on starting both Cane and Savea, there isn't a huge chance he makes the plane. And therefore giving him this game is a bit of a waste of time.
And the only criticism i have seen is he's not exactly physical in the tackle. And that's pretty fair i would have thought.
What the fark? That's a whine? Yeah good one...
As for what you think is fair...Well yeah it would be if it was true. Thankfully you'll be able to verify that in the weekend eh.
stargazer had the whine, you continued it.
And i would have thought it was fair base don a long past history. Does he have the physicality of the other two options at 7 or not?
