TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
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Interested in attack of our forwards. Compare stats from our forwards last night (ESPN) from 1-8 number of carries 2,5,1,4,7,6,7,10 = 42. The Irish whose forwards I think are the best at work rate against us last year were 7, 6,12, 3, 17, 22, 9, 9 = 85. Metres are pointless it’s involvements. Our starting FR had on 8 carries? So what threat are they? Defences can almost ignore them and focus elsewhere in effect narrowing or attack. Right across the pack an issue for us. Anyways 🤷♂️
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo why?
What angle did old mate come from?
Wasn't cardable but certainly illegal, thus definitely not "fine". And not very friendly.
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@98blueandgold Are the possession stats similar for both games? Because if they're not, you can't really compare stats for carries.
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Yeah but nothing out of the ordinary. According to the laws
An arriving player must be on their feet and join from behind their offside line.
A player may join alongside but not in front of the hindmost player.
A player must bind onto a team-mate or an opposition player. The bind must precede or be simultaneous with contact with any other part of the body.
That's it, the grinning giant was fine for me. Dozens of joins like that every game
1st italics. Imoact was well in front of hindmost
2nd italics. Bind?
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Tani was premature in his comments
Mo'unga was okay last night He had a crap start but improved as the game wore onWe'll see if he can be a dependable ABs #10 but he deserves a fair crack
But in a RWC year, time is not on your side
I'll retaliate it: Would I trust Mo'unga atm in a RWC knock out gameNo
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
Yeah, but, fact is RM hasn't played many games in black since then so is still very inexperienced at this level. Carves up Super rugby but so far has struggled with the step up when starting.
He's done well off the bench providing some impact against tired defense; right now that's what I see his role as for the RWC.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
our game plan isn't working
I wasn't really sure that we had one (and for quite some time).
I really hope that we have an extremely watertight storage for that powder.
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@Stargazer yeah pretty sure they are about 55-58% for both teams in these games. Even so the main point is those tough carries need to happen in middle of park and they just are not for us. We make a lot of metres out wide but teams will take that seem to be able to recover then put pressure on us in tight we’re a turnover occurs. We keep saying poor skills but it’s a broken record now for last cple years. Teams know they can put pressure on of forwards in attack and these teams have the upper hand in work rate.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Well summarised
You saved me from having to explain this to Booboo
Explain what?
I'm not calling for his head. Just pointing out it was illegal.
Please see post above.
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@No-Quarter said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
Yeah, but, fact is RM hasn't played many games in black since then so is still very inexperienced at this level. Carves up Super rugby but so far has struggled with the step up when starting.
He's done well off the bench providing some impact against tired defense; right now that's what I see his role as for the RWC.
Yes - this was just his third test start after Pumas and Japan - first outing against an elite team. A rumpty start with the charge-downs, but he got better as the game went on.
I don't know whether Hansen will stake his career-end on a rookie first five - but, in my opinion it's well worth giving it another try in one of the games against Oz and potentially the pool game against South Africa. At a minimum it will be an advantage if teams don't know what we're going to roll out against them.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B They have to persist with RM at 10, if only to give him the experience he'll need in case BB goes down with an injury.
Sadly I think that is true. It doesn't fill me with confidence though and if Josh is going to Japan he probably needs a run as well.
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@Snowy be great if we could see a bit of a plan forming with player rotations, guess the one v Aus will shed some light.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
guess the one v Aus will shed some light.
One would hope so. It certainly isn't obvious at the moment but the selectors do have to play with the cards that they are dealt. Unfortunately bluffing isn't likely to win a RWC.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Snowy be great if we could see a bit of a plan forming with player rotations, guess the one v Aus will shed some light.
@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Snowy be great if we could see a bit of a plan forming with player rotations, guess the one v Aus will shed some light.
To point out the obvious - they didn't take the Crusaders to Argentina and put out a "B"team there.
Hansen is cutting five guys this week and I think he will want to try to lock the Bled away ASAP, so we'll see pretty much what he thinks is the top combo in the first match versus Oz. It won't be too much different to this week - Cane and Ardie will be back in the 23, Beaudy will probably be back at first five, RM on the bench - and we'll probably need a replacement for Retallick.
Who's going to be cut? I reckon Moli and Aumua, two of Papali'i, Jacobson and Todd (just possibly Fifita), and one of Ennor or Reece.
Someone may get saved if they don't call up a specialist lock to cover Retallick, but I think they need to. Who will it be - I think they took Romano to Japan last year, but didn't use him.
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@Chris-B still not really giving any insights into what they are looking to achieve (as in RM-10, BB-15..1 off experiment vs our old foe, or a nod to the future...)
Sure the 1st test v Aus might show us where they are looking in terms of personell, but what about the game plan, and if they give a hint of thier best 15 v Aus, we then have a 2nd test v Aus and a test v Tonga to fine tune before meeting SA again...time is against us.
While I thnk they are still fine tuning, time is against us.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
time is against us.
I guess that is the problem with our draw at the RWC. One of our most important matches is the first one. We can't build into it like the cricket.
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Patty T has the potential to be a great ball carrying lock who could give us real go-forward and smash other forwards backwards.
He has shown glimpses of his destructive potential at test level - 2nd half against England in the rain a few years back and in the last part of the thriller we won in Brisbane.
He too often seems ponderous though. Shame, we really need a big grunter in the pack, particularly considering our starting props, Whitelock and Read are not destructive ball runners at all.
