TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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Tend to agree
I'd start Mo'unga vs AUS in both games but no way he starts a RWC Knockout game at #10
Mo'unga has a long way to go at #10 in Test Matches
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@nzzp said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@No-Quarter said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Right now Beauden is clearly our best 10 and 15.
If we play him at 15, we have to start a rookie at 10.
If we play him at 10, we start one of our most experienced players at 15.
... and our experienced 15 isc oming back from a leg injury. Fitness and pace will come back as he gets mroe training time.
BFA started very slowly last year, I thought he was past it but he came good in a big way. At 15 his pace isn't so important, it's fielding kicks and making good decisions on attack and defense where he excels.
We need Rieko to find his mojo again (I think he will) and a right winger. Who are the front runners there?
Bridge (rookie at test level)
Reece (rookie)
Jordie (not great pace, erratic performer)Who am I missing? Shit we are thin there...
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@Jaguares4real what a silly comparison, Sanchez us vastly more experienced.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real what a silly comparison, Sanchez us vastly more experienced.
It's a valid comparison in the context of RM starting at 10 at the RWC. He will be up against vastly more experienced 10s, if he's not ready due to experience then he shouldn't start.
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@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
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Interested in attack of our forwards. Compare stats from our forwards last night (ESPN) from 1-8 number of carries 2,5,1,4,7,6,7,10 = 42. The Irish whose forwards I think are the best at work rate against us last year were 7, 6,12, 3, 17, 22, 9, 9 = 85. Metres are pointless it’s involvements. Our starting FR had on 8 carries? So what threat are they? Defences can almost ignore them and focus elsewhere in effect narrowing or attack. Right across the pack an issue for us. Anyways 🤷♂️
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo why?
What angle did old mate come from?
Wasn't cardable but certainly illegal, thus definitely not "fine". And not very friendly.
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@98blueandgold Are the possession stats similar for both games? Because if they're not, you can't really compare stats for carries.
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@Machpants said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Yeah but nothing out of the ordinary. According to the laws
An arriving player must be on their feet and join from behind their offside line.
A player may join alongside but not in front of the hindmost player.
A player must bind onto a team-mate or an opposition player. The bind must precede or be simultaneous with contact with any other part of the body.
That's it, the grinning giant was fine for me. Dozens of joins like that every game
1st italics. Imoact was well in front of hindmost
2nd italics. Bind?
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Indeed
Tani was premature in his comments
Mo'unga was okay last night He had a crap start but improved as the game wore onWe'll see if he can be a dependable ABs #10 but he deserves a fair crack
But in a RWC year, time is not on your side
I'll retaliate it: Would I trust Mo'unga atm in a RWC knock out gameNo
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
Yeah, but, fact is RM hasn't played many games in black since then so is still very inexperienced at this level. Carves up Super rugby but so far has struggled with the step up when starting.
He's done well off the bench providing some impact against tired defense; right now that's what I see his role as for the RWC.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
our game plan isn't working
I wasn't really sure that we had one (and for quite some time).
I really hope that we have an extremely watertight storage for that powder.
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@Stargazer yeah pretty sure they are about 55-58% for both teams in these games. Even so the main point is those tough carries need to happen in middle of park and they just are not for us. We make a lot of metres out wide but teams will take that seem to be able to recover then put pressure on us in tight we’re a turnover occurs. We keep saying poor skills but it’s a broken record now for last cple years. Teams know they can put pressure on of forwards in attack and these teams have the upper hand in work rate.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Well summarised
You saved me from having to explain this to Booboo
Explain what?
I'm not calling for his head. Just pointing out it was illegal.
Please see post above.
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@No-Quarter said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@No-Quarter that was in his 2nd or 3rd AB game 10 months ago...
I'm not quite ready to write anyone off after last night, too many big players were off, our game plan isn't working
Yeah, but, fact is RM hasn't played many games in black since then so is still very inexperienced at this level. Carves up Super rugby but so far has struggled with the step up when starting.
He's done well off the bench providing some impact against tired defense; right now that's what I see his role as for the RWC.
Yes - this was just his third test start after Pumas and Japan - first outing against an elite team. A rumpty start with the charge-downs, but he got better as the game went on.
I don't know whether Hansen will stake his career-end on a rookie first five - but, in my opinion it's well worth giving it another try in one of the games against Oz and potentially the pool game against South Africa. At a minimum it will be an advantage if teams don't know what we're going to roll out against them.
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