Crusaders 2020
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That quote is from this article (I think):
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The tough decisions that will define Will Jordan's career: 'I think they knew that they couldn't offer me what I was looking for'
Will Jordan has always been destined for big things. Instead of looking for more action elsewhere, however, the talented outside back is more than happy to work his way up through the ranks and bide his time with the Crusaders.
“When I came off contract at the end of the last season, I had a few other teams who came calling and I had really a tough decision to make around what I wanted to do in the future,” said Jordan.
“I’d had a few opportunities with the Crusaders but I knew game time would still be pretty hard to come by with the likes of George, Dave and Sevu, those guys in the outside backs.
“It was definitely something I considered, heading to the Landers or the Blues. I did have a chat with Rangi [Blues head coach Leon MacDonald] when I was off-contract last year. He was a big reason for me heading up to Ta$man as well, obviously with him having a played fullback at a very high level for both the Crusaders and the All Blacks. He’s a great coach and you can see he’s doing great things for the Blues now. Full credit to him for he’s done for their culture and their team.
“Both are great teams with great cultures, but I think at the end of the day the opportunity to keep playing for my hometown province, a team that’s had a good track record of producing All Blacks and developing players was something that was too tough to turn down.”
While the Highlanders were believed to be the side closest to tearing Jordan away from his home franchise, it wasn’t to be. Instead, he signed a new three-year deal with the Crusaders mid-way through last year..
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@mofitzy_ said in Crusaders 2020:
Bower is NZ born and uncapped, yet I've never heard him discussion for higher honours. Is he lacking in any area? Or just too untested?
He's from Taita, nuff said. He's getting bloody good for such a late bloomer eh! Came outta nowhere.
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@Tim wow "All-conquering coach Scott Robertson is likely to re-sign with New Zealand Rugby and the Crusaders rather than move offshore, the Herald can reveal."
Big call, he's probably confident Foster will be out in two years. Reasonable assumption from previous head coach performance
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@Machpants I don't think that staying in his comfort zone and avoiding international experience will do much for his chances.
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@Machpants I think you're reading it wrong. According to the article, they think Robertson will re-sign for two more years (until the end of 2023). So if that's true, he might hope that Foster quits after the 2023 RWC, not in two years. And, of course, that's assuming that taking over the ABs gig is the main reason for his decision (which may not be the case).
It is understood that he is looking at an additional two years with the red and blacks which would take him to the end of 2023, a World Cup year, after which the rugby landscape – both here and overseas – may look very different, as might the world in general. -
@Tim said in Crusaders 2020:
@Machpants I don't think that staying in his comfort zone and avoiding international experience will do much for his chances.
If thats true Gatland must be next in line
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@Tim said in Crusaders 2020:
@Machpants I don't think that staying in his comfort zone and avoiding international experience will do much for his chances.
I doubt he's making a decision to re-sign (for now) to stay in his comfort zone or to avoid international experience. He may, for example, consider it wiser to look for a head coaching gig (in NZ or overseas) that starts after the next RWC, instead of mid-way through a RWC cycle.
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@Tim said in Crusaders 2020:
@Machpants I don't think that staying in his comfort zone and avoiding international experience will do much for his chances.
Razor played and coached in Ireland, France and Japan between 2003 and 2007. In his mind, he's done his OE. Not sure a spell coaching Glasgow or Italy or Georgia would add much.
None of the big international jobs are likely to be available until after 2023 RWC, as Foster's on a two year contract the ABs job is the most likely to. If it does, he's the favourite.
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@sparky Yeah - people will use "hasn't coached overseas" as a stick to beat Razor with, but it's not really true and I'm not sure it's really essential, either.
Henry's experience of coaching Wales didn't help him win in 2007 and Hansen's experience of coaching Wales (15 years earlier) didn't help him win in 2019 . However, both benefited from coaching a very good ABs side through 2008-2014 (or in fact 2004 onwards...).
In fact, Hansen's experience in coaching Wales was dire - he never beat a tier 1 team and even he pointed out he had both the world's best and worst international coaching records. I guess his time in Wales taught him humility.
In many ways, I'd rather Razor didn't take his methodologies abroad to teach the NH how he does it. I reckon they'd get much more out of it than he would.
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Weird people are finding a way to down play Robertson's decision to stay in NZ when at the same time we are lamenting the knowledge we are losing overseas. I am bloody stoked he's staying on longer, he seems to be a damn good coach and fucked if I want the likes of England getting their mits on him.
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
Henry's experience of coaching Wales didn't help him win in 2007
Lions and Wales.
03 to pre RWC we lost 5 times in 4 years, 3xSA and 2xAus; 38/43 games for nearly 90% winning record. The four years before we won 29/38 games.
Henry and Hansen rebuilt a side wrecked by John Mitchell. They selected players from nowhere (Smith stands out for me), and were very very dominant at international level until a certain quarterfinal. Remember the French games in 04 - Walrus was convinced we were going to be spanked by a good French side, but we smoked them all over the paddock.
The thing is that coaching Super and coaching Tests are completely different. The time you have with the players, conditioning, the quality, the motivation, the competition, the style of game are all very different. It's like arguing that a dominant Mitre10 coach should be an AB Coach.
Robertson is a very good coach, but I think Sir Graham had a point- he would benefit from exposure to the international game overseas. Still, ultimately that's up to the NZRU who can't organise a pissup with Australia at the moment.
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@nzzp Going overseas again might help Razor become a bit better AB coach - but, on the other hand it might not. Ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
I'm of the opinion that coaching the ABs is a fair bit different to most rugby coaching jobs, because you're going to win the majority of your games regardless - so learning about losing regularly isn't really a necessary skill.
What's needed is the ability to analyze and make the necessary tweaks to keep an elite team getting better - as well as retaining the players' confidence and managing some doubtless pretty big egos.
Interesting thing about Mitch is that it was his overseas experience that was a big part of his attraction.
JK is another who arrived back with a massive international resume, but had a pretty dismal tenure at the Blues.
And now Gats has had a bit of a shocker.
Frankly, I'd be happy with people who've proven themselves in Super rugby. I'd have been happy with Dave Rennie, without him needing to go overseas. I'd have been reasonably happy with Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown. I'd be happy with Razor - and Leon is working towards that status in my mind, though he needs another season or two of success with the Blues.
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to be fair, the overseas market is a bit restricted and an unknown at present, so the safer bet is probably to stay here.
