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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
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It looks pretty clear to me that the drinking incident in Dunedin that Steven Harris and Magpie in Aus documented last year was the cause of Akira not featuring in any subsequent AB squads last year.
He went from "invited to train with" to not even featuring in the 51 man squad that went to Japan.
And now that he's served his 2019 penance, he's back in the mix for the foundation camps, where plenty of other loose forwards who went to Japan aren't.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
Now you are backtracking - you said
"And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game"
This is despite Akira never having been penalised for any niggle etc in any Super/Mitre 10/Maori game he has played.
I just cannot fathom this being a reason for his non-selection.
If ABs are worried about players doing something dumb then they need to focus their efforts on other players (SBW for one).
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
It's the specific position work that he isn't/ wasn't doing the selectors want to see more of.
BTW, his reaction to being goaded by Jordie was perfectly fine - it was Jordie that attacked the head of an opposition player, not Akira.
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Very frustrating again to see fringe squad selection Ma'a Nonu picked at twelve and kick, pass and run more than the first-fives on the team. If only we had Southland's designated centre we would be in finals contention.
Part of me wants to blame Rangi for that one, but it was simple skills execution and in Super Rugby that happens, particularly in a shoot out between too flawed teams. Look forward to the return.
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
Now you are backtracking - you said
"And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game"
This is despite Akira never having been penalised for any niggle etc in any Super/Mitre 10/Maori game he has played.
I just cannot fathom this being a reason for his non-selection.
If ABs are worried about players doing something dumb then they need to focus their efforts on other players (SBW for one).
How is that a backtrack? And if that is not the reason why hasn't he been selected and a guy warming the bench for the Landers has?
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
It's the specific position work that he isn't/ wasn't doing the selectors want to see more of.
BTW, his reaction to being goaded by Jordie was perfectly fine - it was Jordie that attacked the head of an opposition player, not Akira.
If that's the case then why not have him in camp with the ABs? Why select a green player like Frizzel?
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
Now you are backtracking - you said
"And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game"
This is despite Akira never having been penalised for any niggle etc in any Super/Mitre 10/Maori game he has played.
I just cannot fathom this being a reason for his non-selection.
If ABs are worried about players doing something dumb then they need to focus their efforts on other players (SBW for one).
How is that a backtrack? And if that is not the reason why hasn't he been selected and a guy warming the bench for the Landers has?
They aren't competing for the same spot. Shannon F is a 6. Akira is an 8.
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Hurricanes:
Was also great to see Scrafton get on the paddock, offered a lot of energy and chatter ( heard him really trying to pick the players up on a couple of occasions)
I don't understand why he has been missing out (unless there was another injury niggle?). He's clearly the second best lock IMO and he has plenty of experience.
Both the co-captains don't talk much. Although it was good to see Gibson put more pressure on the ref last night. I haven't watched the tv coverage, so don't know if it showed up on tv, but he was following Bryrant around at several stoppages.
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And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
Now you are backtracking - you said
"And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game"
This is despite Akira never having been penalised for any niggle etc in any Super/Mitre 10/Maori game he has played.
I just cannot fathom this being a reason for his non-selection.
If ABs are worried about players doing something dumb then they need to focus their efforts on other players (SBW for one).
How is that a backtrack? And if that is not the reason why hasn't he been selected and a guy warming the bench for the Landers has?
They aren't competing for the same spot. Shannon F is a 6. Akira is an 8.
"Akira Ioane (born 16 June 1995) is a New Zealand rugby union player. Ioane plays blindside flanker and number 8 for the Auckland rugby union team in the Mitre 10 Cup, for the Blues in the Super Rugby competition and was selected for the All Blacks in 2017, having previously represented New Zealand internationally in Sevens and the Māori All Blacks."
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
They aren't competing for the same spot. Shannon F is a 6. Akira is an 8.
With the captain at 8 they probably aren't looking for a 2nd specialist 8 in the squad
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Akira is a specialist 8 who can cover 6 at a push
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@Duluth said in Blues v Hurricanes:
Akira is a specialist 8 who can cover 6 at a push
He played at 6 against the Lions.
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Yes I know
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When was his last start at 6?
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The last time Akira played 6 for the Blues I think was 2017 vs Sunwolves when Luatua was around. There have been nearly 2 seasons gone since then. Akira would have played 25 odd games for the Blues at 8 since then.
In addition - probably 25 more since then at 8 in Mitre 10 Cup for Auckland.
So thats his last 50 odd first class games at 8.
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@Duluth said in Blues v Hurricanes:
When was his last start at 6?
What does that matter? He can cover 6 and 8 so why not select him and have him in the squad rather than someone who can't start for the Highlanders? And why select Whitelock? You don't leave a player like that out unless there are other issues. Saying it's his positional play makes as much sense as that cråp about Isaac Ross having to improve his power.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
What does that matter?
It matters because he's a specialist 8
