2019 Cricket ODI WC
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@Donsteppa said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Interesting re-watching the Klusener/Donald run-out from 1999. While Donald seems to gets much of the flak - and would have made his ground if he'd sprinted for it at the start - it was a very dodgy choice of run by Klusener. From a quick pause on MySky, had the ball hit the stumps at the bowlers end, Klusener would also have been well run out with two balls to spare.
In context Donald was sheepish because he could/should have been run out at the non-strikers end a ball earlier because he over-committed and Klusener sent him back.
I really wish SA got over Australia in both the CWC and RWC that year, both were close to the most likable SA teams in their respective sports ever.
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
As for asking Indian fans not to jeer someone - well they went full racist on Andrew Symonds, so why expect them to change?
By Indian fans, you mean Harbjhan Singh, and by full racist you mean allegedly said something he denies.
By the same measure Oxenford, Gilchrist and Ponting went full cheat in the same test.
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Plus he looks like a lesbian.
Exceptional record though particularly in the longest version of the game.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Plus he looks like a lesbian.
Exceptional record though particularly in the longest version of the game.
I think that''s the sad part - he's a phenomenal talent with the bat. I blame the thalidomide kid Warner.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Plus he looks like a lesbian.
Exceptional record though particularly in the longest version of the game.
I think that''s the sad part - he's a phenomenal talent with the bat. I blame the thalidomide kid Warner.
He is too though !
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
Reminds me of a mate of mine who is from Greymouth ( massive league country ). He told me a group of his mates came up for the sevens and booed Henry Paul when he was playing for England.....same blokes apparently saw him up Courtney Place later that night and came up to him wanting selfies etc and he said something along the lines of "Fuck off, you pricks were booing me when I was warming up!"
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@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
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@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Lots of other teams get caught for tampering and you can't tell me that it is the work of one mad player each time. Part of the problem is that Warner was such a very good player, and the aussies have form for being total carnts, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). Smith cops it because he was the leader of the evil empire. I think all of it blows over eventually
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@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
I mean the booing will blow over eventually, as it did for Greg. Ultimately the stain will never go away
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Better example is perhaps Warne.
Dealing with a match fixer? Sure it was just weather information...
Caught taking drugs? Sure your mum gave it to you to lose weight...Warney. Legend. And rightfully so.
Chappell on the other hand probably has a worse reputation than John Wright in the cricketing world just by virtue of his stint as Indian coach despite not being in the same stratosphere as batsmen.
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Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
Good call. I wouldn't have him in my test XI -- despite his onfield exploits. At his peak, his bowling was superb; won us a few games
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
Good call. I wouldn't have him in my test XI -- despite his onfield exploits. At his peak, his bowling was superb; won us a few games
He'd make my team batting seven and bowling second change behind Paddles, Bond and Boult but we've already had this discussion a few times haha.
