2019 Cricket ODI WC
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@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Plus he looks like a lesbian.
Exceptional record though particularly in the longest version of the game.
I think that''s the sad part - he's a phenomenal talent with the bat. I blame the thalidomide kid Warner.
He is too though !
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
Reminds me of a mate of mine who is from Greymouth ( massive league country ). He told me a group of his mates came up for the sevens and booed Henry Paul when he was playing for England.....same blokes apparently saw him up Courtney Place later that night and came up to him wanting selfies etc and he said something along the lines of "Fuck off, you pricks were booing me when I was warming up!"
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@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
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@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Lots of other teams get caught for tampering and you can't tell me that it is the work of one mad player each time. Part of the problem is that Warner was such a very good player, and the aussies have form for being total carnts, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). Smith cops it because he was the leader of the evil empire. I think all of it blows over eventually
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@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@antipodean said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The penalty was the punishment. The ongoing price he pays is because of his reputation is forever tarnished by his cheating.
Ultimately I suspect this will end up being a footnote on Smith's career, based on the account of the fixture (which I highly doubt was a one off, but lets say it was) he was barely complicit and most would consider his suspension and stripping of the captaincy punishment enough.
At the moment he is paying the penance for Justin Langer a veteran of two Ashes campaigns and a substantial county career thinking that the best way to deal with good natured ribbing from an English sporting crowd is to whinge about it.
Warner is tarred for life though.
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
I mean the booing will blow over eventually, as it did for Greg. Ultimately the stain will never go away
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Better example is perhaps Warne.
Dealing with a match fixer? Sure it was just weather information...
Caught taking drugs? Sure your mum gave it to you to lose weight...Warney. Legend. And rightfully so.
Chappell on the other hand probably has a worse reputation than John Wright in the cricketing world just by virtue of his stint as Indian coach despite not being in the same stratosphere as batsmen.
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Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
Good call. I wouldn't have him in my test XI -- despite his onfield exploits. At his peak, his bowling was superb; won us a few games
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
Good call. I wouldn't have him in my test XI -- despite his onfield exploits. At his peak, his bowling was superb; won us a few games
He'd make my team batting seven and bowling second change behind Paddles, Bond and Boult but we've already had this discussion a few times haha.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Maybe kiwis are a bit harsher. I remember when we did our mythical best test XI. Now in my opinion Chris Cairns walks into the team, others were less convinced but I'm sure the match fixing ( which incidentally had not one thing to do with his test career ) means we judge him pretty harshly when his performances put him right in the very elite of our best ever cricketers.
Good call. I wouldn't have him in my test XI -- despite his onfield exploits. At his peak, his bowling was superb; won us a few games
He'd make my team batting seven and bowling second change behind Paddles, Bond and Boult but we've already had this discussion a few times haha.
what the hell is the Fern for if you can't rehash old conversations. Now, about Hayman to 8
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On the Donald run out: Harsh to blame him, the ball barely trickled past the stumps at the non-striker's end, sensible to get back in your ground in that case.
On Greg Chappell: He abided by the rules as they were at the time - just as Broad did when he edged one to first slip and didn't walk.
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
Most sensible post I've read on that subject.... there's nothing wrong with a bit of booing. It's usually in good fun and adds to the occasion.
Justin Marshall telling anyone to "grow up" is lauaghable.
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Some players get booed. Most do not.
What's the difference in each case?
The difference is that the persecuted player has wilfully chosen to do something that sports followers know is beyond the pail. He's broken well established sporting mores and codes of conduct to do with sport.
All rugby players know that you can dish out cheap shots like Quade, and all rugby players know why you shouldn't. Same with Davey. Same with Smith in his leadership role, "tell them what you've done Cameron "
It's not like the societal norms of imprisonment and time served. It's sport or entertainment.
The Paki bowler actually served prison time for falling for a newspaper stunt. The match fixing wasn't even real.
Nobody is being booed who hasn't abused sports well entrenched sporting norms of behaviour. Nobody is having their societal rights refused. Part and parcel of being in the public eye and the riches that follow
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@SammyC said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
Most sensible post I've read on that subject.... there's nothing wrong with a bit of booing. It's usually in good fun and adds to the occasion.
Justin Marshall telling anyone to "grow up" is lauaghable.
Marshall saying anything even remotely sensible is laughable but I have to respectfully disagree. Time to forget about it and move on Canterbury....
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@SammyC said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
What a poor article.
Yep, but it's the new normal for Australia. Honestly, even if he has hand warmers in his pockets for a summer sport, it just looks terrible.
This is going to follow the team around for ages, and they'll just have to cop it.
Yep - this is the penalty Smith has to pay for his actions.
Oh no, wait: he did a year out of the game for his actions
People will take the chance to climb into you. Sport is a bit pantomime theatre - paying spectators are allowed to boo villains, and everyone is welcome to 'tut tut' them in response. I'd boo Quade as much as the next bloke, and abuse (professional) referees, opposing teams, banter with supporters nearby - it's one of the reasons to go to live sport.
Most sensible post I've read on that subject.... there's nothing wrong with a bit of booing. It's usually in good fun and adds to the occasion.
Justin Marshall telling anyone to "grow up" is lauaghable.
Marshall saying anything even remotely sensible is laughable but I have to respectfully disagree. Time to forget about it and move on Canterbury....
It's not a big deal, there's nothing mean or malicious in it... It's pantomime theatre stuff and some people are too precious about it.
It's also not just a Canterbury thing like you are determined to make it..... Quade gets booed everywhere and at the caketin the crowd will often boo Richie when he lines up a kick.
At least people are at the game and making noise.
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@KiwiPie said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
On the Donald run out: Harsh to blame him, the ball barely trickled past the stumps at the non-striker's end, sensible to get back in your ground in that case.
On Greg Chappell: He abided by the rules as they were at the time - just as Broad did when he edged one to first slip and didn't walk.
FWIW Broad did not edge it to slip. He got a tickle to the keeper who dumped the catch which was scooped up by slip.
