My Turn ... Running Down A Dream
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Yeah, well Im 177cm 5"9.5'. Put that in perspective.
Reading the thread, it's a bit of a rotation. Get fat. Try and lose weight to train for a fast marathon. Fail to lose what I want. Not get my time.
Will this time be any different? Hard to tell, but I hope not ....
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Yeah, well Im 177cm 5"9.5'. Put that in perspective.
Reading the thread, it's a bit of a rotation. Get fat. Try and lose weight to train for a fast marathon. Fail to lose what I want. Not get my time.
Will this time be any different? Hard to tell, but I hope not ....
Yeah, OK - I'm 6'2 so I guess that evens us out!
OK, I'm starting a thread of my own so I don't hijack yours anymore
Looking forward to everyone keeping each other honest around here and knocking off some 2023 goals
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@MajorRage Awesome. Good luck!
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Something internally does genuinely feel a bit different this time. I've been dry for January, and after the first weekend, I've not struggled and quite enjoyed it. I currently see shit food and have absolutely no desire to eat it. I know there will be weak spots / weak days, but perhaps if I succumb on these days and discover just how shit shit food is then it'll kill the desire permanently.
I've always been pretty good at following a plan. Thus, I've written one out already to get me through to 16 weeks out which is around mid July. I'll have no problems following this at all. It's loosely based around previous ones with 100 press-ups / 3-400 ab exercises every day, 20-25 mins resistance bands 6 days a week, and then cardio of 2 days run / 1 day skip continuously. Running around 30-35k a week at the moment (one long one of 10+) and around 2500-3k skips. Itensity will build up a bit then back, but if I stick to this, I should be in a good state 16 weeks out (where you need to find running a 10k / 6 miles very easy).
The motivation feels like it did for the first one, which is excitement as well as genuinely trying to make a change for good. I've spent too much of my life floating between 90-95 kg, where as it would be much much healthier to be floating between 80-85kg. Yes, that is a long way to go from here, but I'm not aiming to do it in 2 months. I'm aiming to do it in 9. Very different.
Beers and wine have always been my weakness, and will continue to be so. Although I'm very very partial to Guiness 0.0. At 75 cal for a 440ml, I can have 2-3 occasionally for little calorie penalty, and zero penalty on the next days workout. Do love a glass of wine though, and as the weather warms up, it will be difficult to avoid the Sav Blanc.
Wish me luck, I'll need it!
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Interesting few months since 27th Jan!
The internal feeling of difference felt good til July. Despite May/June having multiple road bumps (GP, US trip) I managed to stay pretty healthy and keep the fat off. But I've had a shocker of a July, which has co-incided with the start of the training plan. I also have a bit of plantar fasciitis on my right foot which is causing issues. Not so much with the foot, or during the running, but I think it's slightly altering my technique which is causing recovery pain with my heel & knee. At this point though, it doesn't feel like any more than a niggle so I continue on.
Stats so far are 7.5kg lost for this year & have run around 1200km. I maintain doing 100 press ups and 10 sets of 35 diff ab exercises every single day as well as some looser / non impact workouts on the non running days.
I'm still aiming for 4 hours in NY, so to give me a bit of wiggle room, I've been doing the 3:45 program on runners world. So far, I've not struggled with it and, gasp, actually enjoyed it. It's based around mainly slow running (5:55-6:00 p/km) with one fast run (internal / fartlek) and one marathon pace per week (total of 5). At the moment, I'm really enjoying them all. The slow running I find very peaceful and easy to recover from. Something satisfying about the garmin telling me at the end of a 10 mile / 16k / 1 hr 35 run that my avg heart rate was 139 with not even going close to zone 5.
Tomorrow is a real test though, as I've got a simple 10k, but told to aim for under 46 mins. I know I'm not capable of that, so I'll see how we go. IT's around 4:37 p/km. I did a mini "Yasso" earlier this week where I could do the 800 splits at around 4:25 pace so I'm thinking I might put a full Yasso workout in the garmin (10x 800 sprint / 200 recover) and just see how I go. Something about the watch telling me I can walk a little bit which helps with the mental part. My fastest every 10k is around 48:50 so my main goal is to beat that.
Then next week I have 20k slow. So it'll be interesting to see if I can do that slow with the ease I've been doing the others.
Might start reporting a bit more as the miles roll on ... I have 2 more things to get through which I'll struggle health wise before the race (camping trip & RWC trip) - both are short though so hopefully won't disrupt me too much ....
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
47:25 for the 10k. New PB. That'll do.
Awesome! Good shit mate.
Did you run it at the same pace or vary it up?
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@gt12 I put 10x850 plus 150 recovery on the garmin. Doing this 850 in 3:55 was 46 min pace and I beat it 7 times with the average coming in around 3:47. The recovery 150 started out around 5 min pace but by the 7th I was blowing really hard and had to walk some if it. Ended up running the last 2k at around 5:00 min pace.
Next time I’ll prob just try to run it consistently or negative splits. Start at 5:10 pace and try and take 5 seconds off each time.
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6 weeks to go. It's time to enter the worried about injury phase. And by fuck am I doing that!
I think I'm now at the fittest I've ever been. Just smashed my half marathon best time to pieces by posting a 1:44:30, beating previous best by 3 minutes. It was tough, and I was toast at the end, but I think in a race situation I probably had 1-2 minutes more in me as well. Did it with no water too, although this mornings weigh in was around 1kg up higher than expected, so I guess I was holding a lot of water already.The most pleasing part is that apart from 2 separate km's (one at 5:24 : dropped something twice - idiot & the last one at 4:47), my kms were all between 4:54 & 5:01. Ridiculous consistency.
Thats the last of the fast runs on my program. A few training ones have some intervals, but only for 1-2k at at time. I'm currently running the fast parts at around 4:25-4:35 pace which is a solid 30 seconds per km above where I previous used to do this.
All going worryingly too well ...
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Hard yards are now done. 3 weeks to go, tapering begins. "Only" a half marathon to do next Sunday, otherwise it's all 10-12k jogs now. After a few weeks of losing 0.5kg a week I've now settled at 85kg almost dead on. My diet has been fine though, so I think I've been adding some muscle mass on the back of the long runs. I certainly look trimmer than I did even a month ago despite only a 1kg weight loss.
Things continue to roll on worryingly well. Had 3 long Sunday runs in a row.
32k in 3:04. Was completely fine after and only slightly sore Monday
34k in 3:12. Same as above. Was more tired at the end of the run than previous week.
32k in 2:57. Easiest of them all. Slightly sore back today but otherwise fine.Really enjoyed the long runs this program unlike the last ones. The best thing is they haven't ruined my days. Each Sunday I've managed to do dog walks / family stuff no problems.
Garmin has started to shit the bed though which pisses me off. Keeps showing my HR jumping up to around 165-175 in the middle of the runs then coming back after 10-40 minutes for no reason. Always stop to check and it usually around the 140 I tend to slow run at.
Starting to think marathon tactics. I've been doing the 3:45 program and I'm pretty confident of getting sub 4. I honestly think if things are perfect, I could do the 3:45,but give that I'll have flown from UK on the Friday, then 2 nights in the big apple. Sunday is a 9:45am race start after getting the bus out at 7am. So I'll have a bit of natural tiredness going into it, but having said thatI've only been sleeping for 5-6 hours pre the big ones.
I'm thinking I'll budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. This should get me through the half around 1:53. Then see how I am and try and continue at this pace. I'm hoping to get to 33k by 3 hours and my body will tell me what's going on then. Given yesterdays straight forwards run to 32k in 2:57 this should be entirely possible.
Have two fears which I'm trying to manage - TSF advice if possible?
- Going too fast and being completely toast with 5-7k to go and having to walk it.
- Going too slow and finishing thinking I should have gone faster.
All tips appreciated.
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- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
32k in 3:04. Was completely fine after and only slightly sore Monday
34k in 3:12. Same as above. Was more tired at the end of the run than previous week.
32k in 2:57. Easiest of them all. Slightly sore back today but otherwise fine.I have nothing insightful to add given I have only ever done a half marathon in distance only, as it was a mountainous/rough terrain trail run, but those are crazy times, simply cant comprehend! I am lucky to do 1km in 5 mins!
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BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
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Yes BMI is bullshit. My ex had a go at her daughter's school about them using it in PE and I totally agree. I think they applied it to the ABs years ago and Mils was the only one who wasn't classified as overweight or obese.
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@African-Monkey said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
This is good advice.
Remember, the race atmosphere is going to be electric. It will be super easy to get swept up in that and go faster than you should because you're feeling great. You have almost 4 hours out there so plenty of time to accelerate in the 2nd half.
If it was me I wouldn't do this "budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. ". Instead I'd just run 5:20/km pace from the outset to target that 3hr / 33km time. Each to their own, but I think hoping to up the pace for a 10km tempo set mid-race is a bit dangerous, and it sounds like you have enough speed in the legs to hold 5:20/km anyway.
Good luck man, and enjoy the day!
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
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@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
Get fucked, really???
Holy shit, that's nuts - I am so far from Beauden it's not funny (he wins on muscle, pace, good looks, quality of hair) - think I might be able to punt it further though
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
Get fucked, really???
Holy shit, that's nuts - I am so far from Beauden it's not funny (he wins on muscle, pace, good looks, quality of hair) - think I might be able to punt it further though
You might take him now, he’s not as quick as he was.
You’d also get WAYYYYYYY more upvotes on the fern than he would. Some of your material is tops.
