My Turn ... Running Down A Dream
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Hard yards are now done. 3 weeks to go, tapering begins. "Only" a half marathon to do next Sunday, otherwise it's all 10-12k jogs now. After a few weeks of losing 0.5kg a week I've now settled at 85kg almost dead on. My diet has been fine though, so I think I've been adding some muscle mass on the back of the long runs. I certainly look trimmer than I did even a month ago despite only a 1kg weight loss.
Things continue to roll on worryingly well. Had 3 long Sunday runs in a row.
32k in 3:04. Was completely fine after and only slightly sore Monday
34k in 3:12. Same as above. Was more tired at the end of the run than previous week.
32k in 2:57. Easiest of them all. Slightly sore back today but otherwise fine.Really enjoyed the long runs this program unlike the last ones. The best thing is they haven't ruined my days. Each Sunday I've managed to do dog walks / family stuff no problems.
Garmin has started to shit the bed though which pisses me off. Keeps showing my HR jumping up to around 165-175 in the middle of the runs then coming back after 10-40 minutes for no reason. Always stop to check and it usually around the 140 I tend to slow run at.
Starting to think marathon tactics. I've been doing the 3:45 program and I'm pretty confident of getting sub 4. I honestly think if things are perfect, I could do the 3:45,but give that I'll have flown from UK on the Friday, then 2 nights in the big apple. Sunday is a 9:45am race start after getting the bus out at 7am. So I'll have a bit of natural tiredness going into it, but having said thatI've only been sleeping for 5-6 hours pre the big ones.
I'm thinking I'll budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. This should get me through the half around 1:53. Then see how I am and try and continue at this pace. I'm hoping to get to 33k by 3 hours and my body will tell me what's going on then. Given yesterdays straight forwards run to 32k in 2:57 this should be entirely possible.
Have two fears which I'm trying to manage - TSF advice if possible?
- Going too fast and being completely toast with 5-7k to go and having to walk it.
- Going too slow and finishing thinking I should have gone faster.
All tips appreciated.
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- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
32k in 3:04. Was completely fine after and only slightly sore Monday
34k in 3:12. Same as above. Was more tired at the end of the run than previous week.
32k in 2:57. Easiest of them all. Slightly sore back today but otherwise fine.I have nothing insightful to add given I have only ever done a half marathon in distance only, as it was a mountainous/rough terrain trail run, but those are crazy times, simply cant comprehend! I am lucky to do 1km in 5 mins!
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BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
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Yes BMI is bullshit. My ex had a go at her daughter's school about them using it in PE and I totally agree. I think they applied it to the ABs years ago and Mils was the only one who wasn't classified as overweight or obese.
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@African-Monkey said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
This is good advice.
Remember, the race atmosphere is going to be electric. It will be super easy to get swept up in that and go faster than you should because you're feeling great. You have almost 4 hours out there so plenty of time to accelerate in the 2nd half.
If it was me I wouldn't do this "budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. ". Instead I'd just run 5:20/km pace from the outset to target that 3hr / 33km time. Each to their own, but I think hoping to up the pace for a 10km tempo set mid-race is a bit dangerous, and it sounds like you have enough speed in the legs to hold 5:20/km anyway.
Good luck man, and enjoy the day!
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
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@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
Get fucked, really???
Holy shit, that's nuts - I am so far from Beauden it's not funny (he wins on muscle, pace, good looks, quality of hair) - think I might be able to punt it further though
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
BMI is such bullshit. Really disappointing that so many places, including governments, use it.
I’m now weighing 83.5kg. I’m 177cm tall. I could certainly lose a bit more, but I’m as healthy as I’ve been in a very long time. I can run further than probably 98% of people and run a half marathon quicker than probably 99%.
Yet, BMI tells me I’m over weight. Target weight range of 58-78kg.
At 78kg I agree I’d be even better. But I know I’m in a healthy range now. Not think, know.
At 58 kg I’d be emaciated and sickly.
To me BMI is like telling people you should be able to run a marathon in 3 hours otherwise you’re rubbish. It’s an unhealthy statistic.
On the Ironman start-line I was 187cm and 94kgs = OVERWEIGHT - well, fuck you BMI!!!
That’s about Beuaden Barrett stats right there.
I’m assuming you’re more ripped though.
Get fucked, really???
Holy shit, that's nuts - I am so far from Beauden it's not funny (he wins on muscle, pace, good looks, quality of hair) - think I might be able to punt it further though
You might take him now, he’s not as quick as he was.
You’d also get WAYYYYYYY more upvotes on the fern than he would. Some of your material is tops.
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@African-Monkey said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
This is good advice.
Remember, the race atmosphere is going to be electric. It will be super easy to get swept up in that and go faster than you should because you're feeling great. You have almost 4 hours out there so plenty of time to accelerate in the 2nd half.
If it was me I wouldn't do this "budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. ". Instead I'd just run 5:20/km pace from the outset to target that 3hr / 33km time. Each to their own, but I think hoping to up the pace for a 10km tempo set mid-race is a bit dangerous, and it sounds like you have enough speed in the legs to hold 5:20/km anyway.
Good luck man, and enjoy the day!
In my one and only organised marathon it was crazy to see the number of people who went out way too fast too early. During my final 15km or so it was like I was passing through a massive zombie horde. Completely gassed and farked people swaying from side to side.
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@MajorRage
"Garmin has started to shit the bed though which pisses me off. Keeps showing my HR jumping up to around 165-175 in the middle of the runs then coming back after 10-40 minutes for no reason. Always stop to check and it usually around the 140 I tend to slow run at."Yeah I had/have that exact same problem. Was absolutely freaking me out until I realised it was the watch. I can't trust the HR on it anymore.
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@voodoo said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
This is good advice.
Remember, the race atmosphere is going to be electric. It will be super easy to get swept up in that and go faster than you should because you're feeling great. You have almost 4 hours out there so plenty of time to accelerate in the 2nd half.
If it was me I wouldn't do this "budget for around 55 mins 5:30 p/k, then try and pace out for 5:15 - 5:20 10k. ". Instead I'd just run 5:20/km pace from the outset to target that 3hr / 33km time. Each to their own, but I think hoping to up the pace for a 10km tempo set mid-race is a bit dangerous, and it sounds like you have enough speed in the legs to hold 5:20/km anyway.
Good luck man, and enjoy the day!
Cheers. Honestly, I won't be aiming for 5:30, I'll be after probably 5:45 for the first one (my first km is always slow) then 5:20 after that. However, I understand for New York the first couple of km is a climb up a bridge, then it's quite exposed up there so difficult to pace. Hence, I'm aiming for 5:20 but I'll budget for 5:30. If that makes sense.
So if I hit that then I'll feel like I'm on course.
@African-Monkey said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
- Listen to your body
- Remember, it's a 42 km run. If you go harder than what your normal pace is in the first half of the run, you will most likely fade at the back end. You want to steadily increase your pace as you go on. It's important to keep your discipline despite the temptations to go hard in the first 15 or so kms.
- Use the first 5-10 km to get comfortable before looking to increase your pace depending on how you are feeling at the time. As I said, listen to your body which is important, it might require waiting a little longer before you increase the pace.
- Good luck, and remember, at the end of the day, no matter what your time is, if you finish, then it's a job well done.
That's what I've learnt over the years with running marathons anyway haha, but yeah, do what's best for you.
I'd absolutely love to steadily increase my pace, which is how I've run my best half's. How confident are you that this applies to a full marathon as well? The main reason I want to get through 33k at 3 hours is that I'm fairly sure I'll hit the wall and have to walk at least 10 mins of the last 9k. So I just need to average around 6:45 pace to beat 4 hours.
I suspect I've been over thinking this one a bit.
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@MajorRage Much harder to do it in a full marathon for obvious reasons, it took me about 15-20 marathons before I could do it effectively, and even then I still had a few bumps along the way, but yeah, on a personal level, it took lots and lots of practice before I got to that point. I did the Auckland Marathon the other day and my first 21km was 1hr46 and 2nd 21 km was 1hr 50 so yeah, I still managed to stay consistent throughout the run, but still had struggles accelerating at the same time and that's after many years of running.
Back yourself and stick with what you've trained with. Going with that tactic has worked for me in the past (and also gone horribly wrong haha), but you seem to know what you want and have a plan so yeah, don't change anything for this race. If it doesn't work out, you'll know where it went wrong and can apply it to when you run the next marathon, but who knows, you may also feel great after 33km and not even hit a wall and completely smash your PB.
My only advice is, listen to your body. Good luck! Hope you can break 4 hours!
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Turns out New York is hilly as fuck.
4:00:23.
New York rich kids robbed me of my sub 4.
But I’m over it. Shattered beyond belief.
23 seconds!!! Fark, that's a killer - it'd be easier to accept if you were 3 minutes over!!
Well done though mate, great to have that in the bag - when is the next one??
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@MajorRage Awesome effort mate, well done!
