AFL 2019
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
How am I turning it into a shit fight? I'm merely asking questions. So who are these people again?
AFL crowds (and league and soccer crowds) have always been full of ferals. Why the need to send in the Orwellian Guard now? I don't believe for a second that things have become worse in recent years. Certain incidents are probably just focussed on more due to social media.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
How am I turning it into a shit fight? I'm merely asking questions. So who are these people again?
AFL crowds (and league and soccer crowds) have always been full of ferals. Why the need to send in the Orwellian Guard now? I don't believe for a second that things have become worse in recent years. Certain incidents are probably just focussed on more due to social media.
maybe because if you want people to take their families, the level of abuse might want to come down?
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
How am I turning it into a shit fight? I'm merely asking questions. So who are these people again?
AFL crowds (and league and soccer crowds) have always been full of ferals. Why the need to send in the Orwellian Guard now? I don't believe for a second that things have become worse in recent years. Certain incidents are probably just focussed on more due to social media.
maybe because if you want people to take their families, the level of abuse might want to come down?
People have been taking their families for generations and still do. I believe attendance records were broken in 2018, so people are still going to the games in their droves. Again, who are these people agitating for action? I suspect it's the usual dipshits on social media.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
How am I turning it into a shit fight? I'm merely asking questions. So who are these people again?
AFL crowds (and league and soccer crowds) have always been full of ferals. Why the need to send in the Orwellian Guard now? I don't believe for a second that things have become worse in recent years. Certain incidents are probably just focussed on more due to social media.
maybe because if you want people to take their families, the level of abuse might want to come down?
People have been taking their families for generations and still do. I believe attendance records were broken in 2018, so people are still going to the games in their droves. Again, who are these people agitating for action? I suspect it's the usual dipshits on social media.
Can i ask what your major issue with the additional security is? It might help move this along
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people? The vast majority of fans?
Are things really so bad? Surely it's much better now than it ever was. Unless history now starts at circa 2015.
it was probably worse in the 80s, but is that really the yardstick we should be using?
The vast majority of fans aren't massive ferals, and are in no danger of getting booted.
The 80s was a long time ago. What is the yardstick and again, who are these people that are complaining? The AFL fucked up here. Blaming the fans is very disingenuous.
I'm not actually sure we are on opposite sides of an argument here, despite you trying your best to turn this in to a shitfight.
I don't agree with the AFL's actions. However i also think AFL crowds are full of feral low breeds with very little self control. Made worse by the sheer size of their crowds.
How am I turning it into a shit fight? I'm merely asking questions. So who are these people again?
AFL crowds (and league and soccer crowds) have always been full of ferals. Why the need to send in the Orwellian Guard now? I don't believe for a second that things have become worse in recent years. Certain incidents are probably just focussed on more due to social media.
maybe because if you want people to take their families, the level of abuse might want to come down?
People have been taking their families for generations and still do. I believe attendance records were broken in 2018, so people are still going to the games in their droves. Again, who are these people agitating for action? I suspect it's the usual dipshits on social media.
Can i ask what your major issue with the additional security is? It might help move this along
No, you answer my questions first. Who are these people? Crowd numbers do not suggest actual fans have been put off attending games, quite the opposite in fact.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel how the fuck do i know? Why does it matter?
This is pointless. Enjoy your little rant at the PC brigade.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel how the fuck do i know? Why does it matter?
This is pointless. Enjoy your little rant at the PC brigade.
What the hell man? I merely ask you to back up your argument and then you throw a tanty. I'm sorry if facts offend you.
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My gut feeling is that the AFL's intentions in having these officers present is good, but that they might be a bit extreme in their officiating. It may have stemmed from the recent Adam Goodes documentary where the AFL have been painted in a pretty bad light on their dealings with racial abuse and so there is going to be a clamp down to rightly remove that element from the crowd. A lot of comment from crowds directed toward umpires is generally less offensive and humourous and I am not aware of any umpires complaining yet.
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Why did you implement this policy M4L? Fuck's sake man, answer for yourself.
But seriously, while the AFL haven't covered themselves in glory here, the media have reacted as if they've sent in the Gestapo to bash up old footy-loving grannies.
This type of security is nothing that new, it just seems there is a few more of them. Considering there have been a few pretty nasty fights at AFL games so far, you could certainly make a case that it's a good idea.
The problem is the AFL (or the operators of the stadium) haven't made that case, and now people feel like they are being watched all the time.
All the AFL needed to do was to say 'we want to help stop fights and horrible behaviour, but as long as you don't call the umpire a C or racially abuse Majak Daw you won't be affected'.
Instead they didn't tell anyone and all hell has broken loose.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
well, you know, early in the season, we had a bunch of assaults at the footy, and people claimed something had to be done. The game has this culture where it of perfectly okay to just sit there and abuse the shit out of umpires, and any player unlucky enough to mark close tot he boundary, or you know, score a running goal.
People wanted something done, so the AFL did this. And now people are up in arms about it. Because they can't call the umpire a fluffybunny without getting kicked out.
It appears the AFL have taken it too far, and there has been a distinct lack of communication about what these guys are doing, and what the limits are. But the AFL had to do something, because people cannot control themselves.
Who are these people?
Collingwood fans mainly.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
No, you answer my questions first. Who are these people? Crowd numbers do not suggest actual fans have been put off attending games, quite the opposite in fact.
A quick Google yields this: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-crowd-violence-keeping-kids-and-families-away-says-fans-boss-20180602-p4zj3s.html
But I'm sure there are plenty more.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2019:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
No, you answer my questions first. Who are these people? Crowd numbers do not suggest actual fans have been put off attending games, quite the opposite in fact.
A quick Google yields this: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-crowd-violence-keeping-kids-and-families-away-says-fans-boss-20180602-p4zj3s.html
But I'm sure there are plenty more.
That was in June 2018 and concerned crowd violence not calling someone a bald flog. Did you actually read this article?
At any rate, the argument I was responding to is that the same people complaining about the security presence now are the same ones who were demanding something be done. I don't believe that's true at all.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AFL 2019:
That was in June 2018 and concerned crowd violence not calling someone a bald flog. Did you actually read this article?
At any rate, the argument I was responding to is that the same people complaining about the security presence now are the same ones who were demanding something be done. I don't believe that's true at all.
Ugh, why does everything have to be so difficult? M4L talked about assaults and abuse, and said 'people wanted something done'. You then asked 'who are these people?'. And I tried to find you some.
But whatever. This could have been an interesting discussion, but let's move on.
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While we are talking about AFL media hysteria, the Ben Stratton pinching reaction is getting a bit overdone as well.
He's a bit of a pest, and obviously the pinching stuff is taking the niggle a bit too far. But again from some of the media you would think he's a war criminal.
There's always plenty of pushing and shoving and general niggle that goes on off-the-ball, so this isn't a radical departure from that, IMO.
He will likely get a week off, but not much more. The foot stomp was far worse I reckon.
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@barbarian there is a part of me that doesn't even really think it is a week. But it is such a bitch move, and they have to do something now that all alternatives for retribution have been removed.
I think the foot stamp is about the same level. Another bitch move. Deserves a week for all that crap. And from the club captain too.
Have to give Fantasia respect for not retaliating, and then looking past it after the game. Not sure i would have shaken his hand afterwards, i would have fed it to him for the result. And the fact i kicked 2 goals.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2019:
Not sure i would have shaken his hand afterwards, i would have fed it to him for the result. And the fact i kicked 2 goals.
I think that's the perfect punishment. Smash him when he has the ball, win the game and maybe look him in the eyes as you walk past him in the handshake line.
Kudos to him for leaving it on the field.
