Gender Pay Equality
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@No-Quarter said in Gender Pay Equality:
My biggest gripes with the gender pay gap are:
- people never quote the studies accurately. The studies generally only talk about aggregate. At the very least they could talk about what the studies actually show.
- there's some really interesting discussion to be had, particularly in the context of family and what constitutes a meaningful life for a man and a woman, and how we structure society to ensure people are free to choose what works best for them.
- It is naked exploitation of a basic insecurity/complex that many people naturally have. A majority of people in salaried/wage positions feel they are underpaid relative to others. It is incredibly satisfying for people to know that this is due to a power outside their own control.
I honestly see no difference between someone saying "women are paid less due to the gender paygap" than someone saying "it's tough finding a well paying job because migrants are taking away all your jobs". Both are brazen and stupid arguments.
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I'm getting a little confused, I didn't think the gender pay gap had to do with the amount women and men are paid for the same job, but that on average men earned more than woman over the entire workforce. Likely due to men historically holding management jobs and females doing many of the caring, nursing roles etc.
It seems a little retarded an organisation like google would not have salary tied to the role, not to the gender?
The best places I have worked were where everyone knew what everyone was paid because the salary was attached to the role and tenure. However the opposite is when nobody knows what others are paid and some get paid way more for doing the same job, that can cause issues.
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Not exactly about the gender pay gap, but have a read of this from Yoshiro Mori (past prime Minister) here in Japan who is not doing much to break down the idea that corporate Japan is a place for old crusty men:
Meetings with women 'take so much time,' says Japan Olympics chief
TOKYO -- Board meetings with a lot of women "take so much time," the president of the Tokyo Olympics organizing committee said Wednesday in addressing a government initiative to increase representation of female directors.
"Women have a strong sense of competition," said Yoshiro Mori, a former prime minister, at a meeting of the Japanese Olympic Committee. "If one person raises their hand, others probably think, I need to say something too. That's why everyone speaks."
In line with Japan's corporate governance code, the JOC has set a goal of raising the ratio of female directors to 40%. Mori's comments came as he discussed the steps taken for the Tokyo Olympics.
"The Education Ministry has been making a fuss about increasing female directors," Mori said.
"If I say too much, the newspapers are going to write that I said bad things, but I heard somebody say that if we are to increase the number of female board members, we have to regulate speaking time to some extent, or else we'll never be able to finish. I am not going to say who said that," he continued.
"We have about seven women on our (Olympic) committee," Mori said. "They are experienced in international arenas. That's why their talk is sophisticated, gets to the point, and they are very useful."
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Totally not true. The hide of the man. None of us have ever thought women talk too much.
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@antipodean said in Gender Pay Equality:
@gt12 he doesn't seem to have a problem with women who know what they're talking about.
Yeah, to be fair - the main-point of his comments did ring true with me...
- "If one person raises their hand, others probably think, I need to say something too. That's why everyone speaks."
...It's just that it isn't women that this is relevant to... but stupid people.
The number of meetings/conference-calls/discussions I've been in... and people just asking inane questions, or making fucking-obvious comments, or just "Yes, okay buddy, so you've just re-iterated what I literally just fucking said, but in stupid-talk"Fuck you work.
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Dunno about women talking too much, but I once had two women square off against each other in business meeting - one was trying to hit the other with her shoe.
Bloody scary stuff - made testosterone-fuelled, BSD Directors look like wimps.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Gender Pay Equality:
Dunno about women talking too much, but I once had two women square off against each other in business meeting - one was trying to hit the other with her shoe.
Bloody scary stuff - made testosterone-fuelled, BSD Directors look like wimps.
Sounds like you were quite a demanding boss.
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@Bones said in Gender Pay Equality:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Gender Pay Equality:
Dunno about women talking too much, but I once had two women square off against each other in business meeting - one was trying to hit the other with her shoe.
Bloody scary stuff - made testosterone-fuelled, BSD Directors look like wimps.
Sounds like you were quite a demanding boss.
I wish.
EDIT: They were both quite hot, as I recall. One was a tall willowy blonde, the other a petite, very fit dancer.
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Mori is the biggest f#ckwit ever. How he got the gig is beyond me.
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well well well, how the turntables
It appears the Qld police, in their efforts to achieve 50% female recruitment, ended up blocking 200 more qualified male candidates from graduating. Six women graduating despite not making the grade to even enter the academy.
The Crime and Corruption Commission have given them a whack, and 3 people look to have lost their jobs (wait, just suspended). You would imagine not the 3 who made the policy decision though.
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@siam said in Gender Pay Equality:
I often wonder why the push for 50/50 representation never seems to apply to primary schools?
I thought it did? I don’t know about right now but for some time there has been a push to get more male primary school teachers.
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@crucial said in Gender Pay Equality:
@siam said in Gender Pay Equality:
I often wonder why the push for 50/50 representation never seems to apply to primary schools?
I thought it did? I don’t know about right now but for some time there has been a push to get more male primary school teachers.
Or have I misunderstood?A push - as in no extra benefits or incentives.