2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Is this one of those Fern things (like England were apparently always unbeatable) that gets started and then people just start believing it for no good reason?
I just assume that everything on here is wrong, which usually makes me right.
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@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Laumape is only listed as a kg heavier than ALB...
Yes - and you really should check your postbox for that Master of Reality refund!
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@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Laumape is only listed as a kg heavier than ALB...
which sort of confirms to me that our two best midfielders aren't considered "punchy" enough because they are too light skinned.
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@Higgins said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
If you're n the back foot, who do you give it to to smash forward and get some front foot ball?
Maybe they should rely on innovative superior skills (and hopefully speed) rather than trying to bash and smash your way through to see some dividends paid.
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@antipodean Exactly right!
Size is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Speed is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being skillful is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being smart if a good attribute for a rugby player.If you have a big, fast, skillful and smart rugby player, he's probably going to be a better player than a small, slow, clumsy and stupid player.
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@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Laumape is only listed as a kg heavier than ALB...
Laumape looks bigger because he's not that tall. Mo'unga has 5 cm on him.
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@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Yeah - it's one of the problems with our two play-maker system. Offensively it's good, but defensively it creates weaknesses.
If you've got a strong defender at fullback, you can move him forward to defend in the first five channel and stick your first five at the back - but if you've got Richie, Beauden (or DMac) there's only marginal gains from shuffling them around.
Sorry who has ever been a strong defender at FB? Not front on anyway. BB is awesome on defence, chasing back, and that is a FB main role. But front on one-on-one, there never has been a great defender in the ABs or most other teams.
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@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Laumape is only listed as a kg heavier than ALB...
That’s why I said size/collisions, which is a key part of Laumape’s game - crash ball running is a key skill he brings and can be used well as a dummy runner (how SBW is also often used). ALB on the other hand is better using his quick feet in traffic - that’s not to say he’s small or can’t be the crash runner, just that I don’t like him being used that way - he’s usually better with a little more space.
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 Yeah - it's one of the problems with our two play-maker system. Offensively it's good, but defensively it creates weaknesses.
If you've got a strong defender at fullback, you can move him forward to defend in the first five channel and stick your first five at the back - but if you've got Richie, Beauden (or DMac) there's only marginal gains from shuffling them around.
Sorry who has ever been a strong defender at FB? Not front on anyway. BB is awesome on defence, chasing back, and that is a FB main role. But front on one-on-one, there never has been a great defender in the ABs or most other teams.
David Havili. The Crusaders often use him to cover for Richie.
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@gt12 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
In the midfield, I hate to say it, but I actually think the weak link is (or was) Mo’unga. We’ve been trying to find ways to hide him, as he tends to give up ground even if he makes his tackles. With him defending in or around the midfield plus a passive line, we can get in huge trouble - that was a key strategy England used all day. I think he has to defend closer to the ruck where he can get more help, and simply put, improve his defense.
Agreed. His defence is amazingly passive and McLeod appears to have developed a pattern to hide five-eighths out near the wing. The same thing we used to give the Wallabies shit about when they were doing it with their Tokoroan.
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@mariner4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia How many did he win against England?
From what I saw England were mainly able to plough forward and our dominant hits were few and far between.
I'm not pointing the finger at ALB - but, I am saying that collectively, the size of our backs division was a problem.
This is the reason i think Frank Bunce is the best centre i ever saw. It didn't matter what the ball was, or what the rest of the team was doing, Frank was almost a guarantee to generate quick, front-foot ball. A fucking hero.
He also liked to absolutely level blokes in tackles. I love Frank.
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@nzzp said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@mariner4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia How many did he win against England?
From what I saw England were mainly able to plough forward and our dominant hits were few and far between.
I'm not pointing the finger at ALB - but, I am saying that collectively, the size of our backs division was a problem.
This is the reason i think Frank Bunce is the best centre i ever saw. It didn't matter what the ball was, or what the rest of the team was doing, Frank was almost a guarantee to generate quick, front-foot ball. A fucking hero.
He also liked to absolutely level blokes in tackles. I love Frank.
I love that photo. Everyone is either focused on Frank or where Frank will end up bar one person, who looks like he's had enough and running away
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@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia How many did he win against England?
From what I saw England were mainly able to plough forward and our dominant hits were few and far between.
I'm not pointing the finger at ALB - but, I am saying that collectively, the size of our backs division was a problem.
Yeah because our most dominant hitter wasn't on the bloody field!
I think it was a bad day at the office, the Boks backs outside of De Allende (who's roughly the same size as Boris Goodhue) and Pollard for a 10 aren't exactly huge and they nicely touched up the supposedly unbeatable England.
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@Nepia Yeah - that was a mistake. But, ideally, you want lots of dominant tacklers/tackles. Keep sending them backwards.
Here's an old article from Wayne Smith - the important stuff appears before you need to enter your email.
The Stats Do Lie by Wayne Smith | The Rugby Site's Blog
Wayne Smith explains why the stats that you see during and after a game are as useful as a chocolate teapot
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man the video quality back in the day was stunning!
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@taniwharugby Buncy looked like he was almost laughing. The aussies have a history of crazy brave hot head loosies LOL
