Boxing Thread
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Yes Fury is very adept at just leaning on his opponent and tiring them. But back to Wilder, how is his fitness? From memory he doesn't seem to pace himself sometimes or perhaps he has a stamina issue.
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@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
Yes Fury is very adept at just leaning on his opponent and tiring them. But back to Wilder, how is his fitness? From memory he doesn't seem to pace himself sometimes or perhaps he has a stamina issue.
Wilder has a shitload of heart which people seem to forget too, he certainly won’t go down easily.
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@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Wilder sets his right up well- he has long limbs so if your thinking your out of range he can still KO u.
Where he struggles is when the fight is taken to him and those long limbs become a hinderance. Getting there is the dangerous part.
Fury could do it as he is massive limbed and weight advantage- Parker doesn't have those advantages so he must keep moving off the centre line so Wilder can't set his feet. Sounds easy enough but doing it 3min of every round as well as your own offense is hugely draining and Wilder is happy to wait....
can't wait for it
Best fight though may well be Miller v DudoisAnd it’s wilders ability to close the space quickly that makes him dangerous as well , a fighter can think he’s comfortably out of his range and within the blink of an eye he slides forward into range with the right hand following through coming straight down the line .
I remember an interview with Ben Davidson after fury wilder 1 , and he said the thing that surprised him most about seeing wilder up close was his speed .
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Wilder sets his right up well- he has long limbs so if your thinking your out of range he can still KO u.
Where he struggles is when the fight is taken to him and those long limbs become a hinderance. Getting there is the dangerous part.
Fury could do it as he is massive limbed and weight advantage- Parker doesn't have those advantages so he must keep moving off the centre line so Wilder can't set his feet. Sounds easy enough but doing it 3min of every round as well as your own offense is hugely draining and Wilder is happy to wait....
can't wait for it
Best fight though may well be Miller v DudoisSplitting hairs maybe but I think Parker would be about 110kg to 105kg or so ?
Joseph will attempt to use movement, his footwork and range of punches has improved a lot under Andy Lee .
And I think he is a better boxer now than when he won the title , even if the results don’t reflect that .
But is still short of the top
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
If Wilder has been training and taking it seriously then it won't go 3 rounds
Too fast, Too Furious
I can see parker looking quite good with his new busier style for a bit , then walking into a big shot
Where do you guys reckon Wilder rates compared to other huge hitting heavyweights?
I’m thinking Liston, Williams, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, Tyson, Lewis etc.
Wilder isn’t as bad a boxer as people say but he’s still something of a one trick pony.
Very good at that trick though !
Hard to compare power . He’s a bit different though , tall and lean with those fast twitch muscles , if anyone he reminds me of tommy hearns in a heavyweight body.
What is scary is how often when he hits them clean they aren’t just down , they are fast asleep .
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
If Wilder has been training and taking it seriously then it won't go 3 rounds
Too fast, Too Furious
I can see parker looking quite good with his new busier style for a bit , then walking into a big shot
Where do you guys reckon Wilder rates compared to other huge hitting heavyweights?
I’m thinking Liston, Williams, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, Tyson, Lewis etc.
Wilder isn’t as bad a boxer as people say but he’s still something of a one trick pony.
Very good at that trick though !
Hard to compare power . He’s a bit different though , tall and lean with those fast twitch muscles , if anyone he reminds me of tommy hearns in a heavyweight body.
What is scary is how often when he hits them clean they aren’t just down , they are fast asleep .
Indeed, makes Fury’s effort to get up from his bombs all the more impressive.
He has put guys to sleep but then again he has fought a lot of “tomato cans” as the term goes.
I’ve shared this before but I’ll share it again, this is possibly the biggest single punch I’ve ever seen in boxing. The fact Holmes got up and WON is nothing short of incredible to me.
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@kiwiinmelb He doesn't get anywhere enough credit for his control of distance either. Fury was just smarter than him overall in terms of ring iq in general, but people just treat Wilder as someone who's sloppy with a lack of skill, but he is indeed very crafty in terms of closing the space with his front foot and forcing guys to lunge in and lose concentration in the pocket, like he did in Ortiz 2 and against Szpilka.
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@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 Holmes said he was out but hitting the canvas woke him up
Amazing recovery powers but like what Fury did v Wilder in 1 and fight 3 .Just amazingly tough guys.
To compare I’m fairly sure Mike Tyson never got up to win a fight after being knocked down.
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No he didn't
but in fairness to Mike he took huge beatings before being stopped (disregarding the last couple to journeyman where he shouldn't have been fighting)
Buster
Evander
even v Lennox when he was well past it.
The 2 fights with Ruddock showed courage he was hit and hurt many times but always responded so Mike didn't lack heart. -
Probably gets overlooked with mike because he blasted everyone away early , but his endurance wasn’t the best .
If you could get him to middle rounds ( if 😀) a lot of the danger disappeared
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb He doesn't get anywhere enough credit for his control of distance either. Fury was just smarter than him overall in terms of ring iq in general, but people just treat Wilder as someone who's sloppy with a lack of skill, but he is indeed very crafty in terms of closing the space with his front foot and forcing guys to lunge in and lose concentration in the pocket, like he did in Ortiz 2 and against Szpilka.
Yeah will be interested to see what Joe and Andy come up with .Fury will be telling them this is what you do to beat him, .
the thing that worries me most , Joe wears shots , his good chin usually gets him out of trouble, but this is different.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb He doesn't get anywhere enough credit for his control of distance either. Fury was just smarter than him overall in terms of ring iq in general, but people just treat Wilder as someone who's sloppy with a lack of skill, but he is indeed very crafty in terms of closing the space with his front foot and forcing guys to lunge in and lose concentration in the pocket, like he did in Ortiz 2 and against Szpilka.
Yeah will be interested to see what Joe and Andy come up with .Fury will be telling them this is what you do to beat him, .
the thing that worries me most , Joe wears shots , his good chin usually gets him out of trouble, but this is different.
Yeah it didn’t work vs Joyce and it won’t vs Wilder.
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@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
He wore alot from Joyce and kept going until accumulation took its toll but Joyce and Wilder are very different punchers joyce thuds you to the ground taking away your will - one punch from Wilder can take your soul.
Wilder is a massive hitter but I cracked up reading the comments section on Youtube when he knocked down Fury…..
“Fury got up like someone who’d forgotten to delete his internet search history….”
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
but his endurance wasn’t the best
if you read his book, it's easy to see why. He didn't give a shit.
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@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
but his endurance wasn’t the best
if you read his book, it's easy to see why. He didn't give a shit.
He lost it after Cus D’amato died.
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Even if cus was younger/ healthier..alive mike would have ended up following the same path. Maybe he would have stayed disciplined a few more years so had a longer peak but Don king ,cocaine and money motivated ladies would have still gotten hold of him. He is an addict. Cus made him a training addict but that would have worn thin.
Amazing life story though. This age of self promotion through social media has robbed us of the characters in boxing - I have tired of fury and his knobhead dad of late but his story is a throwback in alot of ways. -
Mike was/is a seriously ill man
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@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
Mike was/is a seriously ill man
I think he seems to be in a pretty good space now ( relatively speaking )
His legacy is debatable but he’s without a doubt the most compelling and fascinating sportsman I can think of.
