Has Hansen gone stale?
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He is missing Richie McCaw and his famous high standards from his chief lieutenant. The side seemed to lack power to make yards in the first half, but also lacked fitness and cool-heads to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the last ten minutes. The ABs no longer have the advantage in conditioning over the NH sides that they enjoyed 2004-2016.
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@donsteppa I might still be a little angry. I'll be fine by March when the Blues start losing.
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@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
We missed an opportunity with Schmidt, we should have brought him back to coach the Blues and said to him succeed here and the ABs are yours. After all he's familiar with the Blues and some of his backline decisions heralded in the era of mediocrity.
Forget the Blues. Vern Cotter and Joe Schmidt will forever be the coaches named to take charge of an All Time Bay of Plenty Steamers squad. Schmidt is an absolute legend.
I don't think you quite got the tone of my post.
Cotter was the man in charge at BoP right?
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
We missed an opportunity with Schmidt, we should have brought him back to coach the Blues and said to him succeed here and the ABs are yours. After all he's familiar with the Blues and some of his backline decisions heralded in the era of mediocrity.
Forget the Blues. Vern Cotter and Joe Schmidt will forever be the coaches named to take charge of an All Time Bay of Plenty Steamers squad. Schmidt is an absolute legend.
I don't think you quite got the tone of my post.
Cotter was the man in charge at BoP right?
I got the tone, but on a day of rugby bitterness it was too good a chance to remember 2004 and to angle for a return to Tauranga
Yep, Cotter was in charge and Schmidt the assistant.
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@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
We missed an opportunity with Schmidt, we should have brought him back to coach the Blues and said to him succeed here and the ABs are yours. After all he's familiar with the Blues and some of his backline decisions heralded in the era of mediocrity.
Forget the Blues. Vern Cotter and Joe Schmidt will forever be the coaches named to take charge of an All Time Bay of Plenty Steamers squad. Schmidt is an absolute legend.
I don't think you quite got the tone of my post.
Cotter was the man in charge at BoP right?
I got the tone, but on a day of rugby bitterness it was too good a chance to remember 2004 and to angle for a return to Tauranga
Yep, Cotter was in charge and Schmidt the assistant.
Yes, I too was remembering 2004 ... hmm, so who would be the Tasesa Lavea option at 10 for the ABs when Schmidt took over?
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I have trust in Hansen (I think), his track record speaks for itself. I however am praying this is all part of his game plan for next year. Reminds me of pool play st 2015 WC, playing fatigued?
Our attack is almost non-excistent so is he storing it away? Ireland have 1 game plan, it hasn't changed at all under Joe, just executed to perfection but I think they have shown all their cards before the big dance.
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@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@donsteppa I might still be a little angry. I'll be fine by March when the Blues start losing.
Never fear, an NZ rugby journalist will set you right...
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@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
The concern for me , was the struggle in our attack against the lions defense last year ,
And against a similar defense last night , there was very little to suggest we have come up with any ideas on how to unlock it .
Didn't struggle in the first test v BIL...
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@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Not picking Akira Ioane at all or Ngani Laumape nearly enough this year were major errors. It smacked of favouritism too leaving them out when other players were also out of the beers in big way after the Dunedin test
Thanks....hadn't heard his name for quite a few posts.
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@mn5 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Not picking Akira Ioane at all or Ngani Laumape nearly enough this year were major errors. It smacked of favouritism too leaving them out when other players were also out of the beers in big way after the Dunedin test
Thanks....hadn't heard his name for quite a few posts.
He's probably the answer in the midfield too. Which frees up a space in the loosies for Gibson to crush all before him. Now if only the selectors weren't so blind to the decline of Whitelock and had selected Cowley-Tuioti. Oh wait no, Scrafton is flavour of the month for world beating lock isn't he?
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@bones said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mn5 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Not picking Akira Ioane at all or Ngani Laumape nearly enough this year were major errors. It smacked of favouritism too leaving them out when other players were also out of the beers in big way after the Dunedin test
Thanks....hadn't heard his name for quite a few posts.
He's probably the answer in the midfield too. Which frees up a space in the loosies for Gibson to crush all before him. Now if only the selectors weren't so blind to the decline of Whitelock and had selected Cowley-Tuioti. Oh wait no, Scrafton is flavour of the month for world beating lock isn't he?
Sounds like you're just making up names now
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If not for injuries, NMS and SBW are still in the squad despite form. This is just the start of the selection issues though.
I'm not sure being a very good scrummager is enough to be a starting prop when you don't bring much else around the field (Franks and Karl T). Not a rhetorical question either, they might be key to success despite their deficiencies.
Whitelock is clearly on tired legs but will hopefully be well rested between now and the RWC.
Squire has never reached the required level in my mind, worth looking at Hemopo/Papalii/AN other.
Read is clearly affected by injuries and/or time but like Whitelock, is going to be in the starting side regardless. Not the wrong call as his experience is invaluable but he doesn't have the cool head of McCaw in captaincy nor is he the player he once was.
Perenara may overtake Smith unless he can recapture the form he had when he first became our 9.
Beauden is likely still our 10 but tactically something has to change.
I'm unsure of the best midfield but SBW isn't in it. Would be great if Nonu still has his spark but at his age it us unlikely.
Not to point a finger at DMac as he has done OK but I think BFA goes back to FB.
And cut the mullets boys.
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@broughie said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Hansen stale? I blame Foster and hope he never becomes AB coach. Isn’t he coaching the backs? Doesn’t matter if he is coaching the forwards he is the weak link.
And Hansen was seen as the weak link in the Cartel era. “Fat Guts Hansen” or better yet FGH were the watchcry around here when our lineout was poor and we got beaten up at the breakdown for a short period.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?
Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.
i want to win everything, all the time, while at the same developing an entire squad of test quality players, and new innovative rugby
Is that too much to ask?
Sir I think that is a very reasonable request. No players to be lost in their prime to Northern Hemisphere clubs. A seamless transition from older players to the next generation.
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I think they also missed a trick by using up valuable tests in trying to develop Fifita and Frizell. Most of us could see that while they may be athletically gifted, they lack the physicality needed in that position, especially on defence. Hemopo on the other hand appears to have that in spades and he was rarely played.
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@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
He is missing Richie McCaw and his famous high standards from his chief lieutenant. The side seemed to lack power to make yards in the first half, but also lacked fitness and cool-heads to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the last ten minutes. The ABs no longer have the advantage in conditioning over the NH sides that they enjoyed 2004-2016.
Completely agree around power - I think the teams named for the England and Irish games were short one hard hitting defender/runner and then the loss of SBW/Squires exacerbated the problem.
In terms of strategy, the front row replacement in the second half (hit them hard in the first few scrums, give everything and hopefully we can wear them down) worked, but cost us in terms of organisation for the Irish try and then a combination of tiredness/good defence/maybe dew led to a few handling mistakes during the last 20, which stopped us capitalising on the changes. Watching some of the key Irish players coming off - they had nothing left to give.
