Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host
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Well I will say watched France/England game last night, and it was another level to any other women's game I have seen. By geez a couple of scarye good teams, and England at times looked like they played a brand of rugby that could fit in a lot of men's comps. Bloody good watch.
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@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@kiwiinmelb said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
England don't look all that good tbh.
Big physical side but skills are nothing to write home about
This says everything about their skill level and approach to the game.
Imagine dominating like that and only winning by six points.
How come there are more tackles than carries?
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@booboo said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@kiwiinmelb said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
England don't look all that good tbh.
Big physical side but skills are nothing to write home about
This says everything about their skill level and approach to the game.
Imagine dominating like that and only winning by six points.
How come there are more tackles than carries?
Ok big man. Not all of us can make a tackle on our own.
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@Bones said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@Crucial it was until the "injury" breaks became like watching a springbok team of just front rowers vs an Irish team of just sexton.
The one that was the absolute fucking worst in the first half: Scots fullback gets run over when needed some attention.
The Wallaroos lineout was forming 40 metres up the field but time was off đ
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I've just seen the red card against Gold 16 Marsters.
Tackler's head hit ball runner's shoulder first which is not "direct" head contact. The red card is therefore incorrect, which precipitates the second red card.
So both red cards should be rubbed out.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
I've just seen the red card against Gold 16 Marsters.
Tackler's head hit ball runner's shoulder first which is not "direct" head contact. The red card is therefore incorrect, which precipitates the second red card.
So both red cards should be rubbed out.
Iâm not quite with you. One of the reds was for two yellows.
I might be getting a bit confused about which one was which. There was a shoulder to head that the ref called âsignificant drop in heightâ. If thatâs the case her definition of significant is a bit different to mine. I think that was was a shoulder on the face. Even if it rode up it was a really dumb and dangerous tackle as the tackler was driving up anyway. Direct contact is only a part of the judgement of degree of danger and after âhas head contact occurred â and âis there foul playâYou can still make indirect contact and a high degree of danger eg driving up hard touching upper chest first and into the chin for a KO.
Right across the games there are a lot of players going in to contact very upright. I noticed the yellow girls doing it heaps. Speed of the game catching them out as this level? Runners into them quicker than they expect? -
@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
One of the reds was for two yellows.
It was. From the starting hooker who was forced to come back on for the reserve hooker who was incorrectly given a red card.
If the correct decision was made in the first place, that risk is never encountered.
Tenuous? Perhaps. Perhaps that tackle was a red in itself.
But it shows the disadvantage when officials get it badly wrong in a fairly clear framework.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
One of the reds was for two yellows.
It was. From the starting hooker who was forced to come back on for the reserve hooker who was incorrectly given a red card.
If the correct decision was made in the first place, that risk is never encountered.
Tenuous? Perhaps. Perhaps that tackle was a red in itself.
But it shows the disadvantage when officials get it badly wrong in a fairly clear framework.
Whatâs your reason for it being badly wrong? Iâm curious.
Iâll spell out my track of the framework.Head contact? Yes.
Foul play? Yes. Tackler never dipped. Therefore high tackle.
What was degree of danger? Shoulder to head is high in my book from a tackle driving up. Ref thought the same but this part is opinion rather than clearly defined. Guidelines might mention direct vs indirect as a consideration but that doesnât mean then you canât red an indirect contact.
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@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Whatâs your reason for it being badly wrong? Iâm curious.
The tackler's head hits the ball carriers shoulder first. There is head contact but it isn't "direct" head to head in the first instance.
We've seen tackles this year where there was a head clash but the point of first impact is not the head. They were ruled accordingly by the onfield team of officials.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Whatâs your reason for it being badly wrong? Iâm curious.
The tackler's head hits the ball carriers shoulder first. There is head contact but it isn't "direct" head to head in the first instance.
We've seen tackles this year where there was a head clash but the point of first impact is not the head. They were ruled accordingly by the onfield team of officials.
But that isnât a rule in the process so you canât claim that the ref isnât following protocol. Just that other refs see it differently (like many aspects of the game)
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Enjoyed that Fiji v SA game. SA defended brilliantly all game but just as they took the lead, lost the kick off, and the game. Deserved win for Fiji.
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@African-Monkey Thought Fiji had their moments against England especially in the first half. Will be Interesting to see the growth in the women's game over the next few years. Qualifying for the WC was a real coup and they have the doggedness and grit within the setup to really improve set piece issues. They have the firepower and creativity. One to watch.
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Fiji had a stack of handling errors and really should have won by more. They've benefited from things like SuperW in terms of getting their cohesion moving upwards.
SA have great building blocks tho, and just need to lift their investment and scheduling to get more games. Problem is they're just going to whack all the local nations so have to get harder opponents in Europe or the Pacific, increasing the expense. Tough problem.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Wow. France v England - just the first half shows how far ahead they are of a lot of nations at ruck time.
They are also far ahead of the ruck! As a freshly badged ref what is your take on the way these NH womens teams all seem to fold around the tackle area (join legally but on the fringe then keep moving forward until they fall and disrupt). Also joining at the fringe, moving forward then disengaging so as to be a nuisance. Looks to be coached to me and the refs do nothing.
