Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Said it after the England game and will again in these hugely anticipated fixtures for all the marbles the ABs always went into siege mentality, went up a gear and turned on a big performance...
In the past two years they couldn't against the Lions, they couldn't trying to avenge a home loss to the Boks, couldn't against England and couldn't here. This team does not have that gear, underlined by two of the leaders having their worst games in black.
Since 2004 the first generation of players built the juggernaut. The second generation enjoyed it. This third generation now has flushed it.
Fitzy needs to fly over there and lay on his "remember this feeling" speech because it seems Hansen or Read won't.
Is that you Enoka?
I’d love to know when theses so called generations started and ended, because all of them have lost tight games and won tight ones as well.
Ireland played really well. Tactics were right and their work at the breakdown was excellent.
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Worst game in black from Read. Hope he can regain form because there are no backup plans in the squad for him being replaced. Savea, Whitelock, and Squire are poor replacements for number eight.
We need more ball runners in the forwards so we can control the contact more often. No punch at all in the game.
Franks is completely selected on reputation these days. We can’t afford passengers.
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Steven hanse out coached last 4 games in a row. First ever All Blacks coach to lose to Ireland twice!
Hansens other major flaws exposed.
- Read not world class anymore - Akira much more dangerous
- Aaron Smith - useless, how is he still in the All Blacks?
- Beauden Barrett - terribly shit at 10, Hansen is a fool if he thinks Barrett is a 10. You pair him up with Aaron Smith and you are going to lose games for sure.
- Liam Squire exposed as not test level standard
- Ben Smith is a fullback or dropped. He is not a winger.
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Akira Ioane says hello
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@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@westcoastie said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Wow.
Ireland clearly betterer today.
Tactics odd.
50-65min mark we were coming, then stopped. Maybe should've pushed for the corner instead of taking the penalty.
Retallick - that wasn't one of his best was it?
Read - is he cooked?
Whitelock
I think Perenara should've started - hes in better form than A.Smith.
We need something different in midfield - we're not making any metres there (even when SBW plays)If Nonu is serious about making a tilt, and he's 85% as good as 2015 or better, he'll walk in
I think u maybe correct
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@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
In the past two years they couldn't against the Lions, they couldn't trying to avenge a home loss to the Boks, couldn't against England and couldn't here. This team does not have that gear, underlined by two of the leaders having their worst games in black.
Similar pattern in those SA, England and Ireland games - the starting XV giving up a significant lead, the subs clawing in back. Against Ireland we didn't manage to score when we finally got some dominance in the last 20 minutes.
I'd like to think that the endless foolishness of the chip kick was keeping powder dry for next year - even if inadvertently!
Still, time for Fatguts to earn his paycheck - even if it's just making a 50 cent phone call to Wayne Smith!
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Tackles
Ireland 151-162 New Zealand.Ouch.
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@stargazer said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Poor Italy, they're going to get it next week. .
Flat track bullies?
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@tordah said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@chimoaus said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
160 mins of rugby, 1 try.
This, when was the last time we failed to score a try in a match?
Against Australia a few years ago. I think Aussies had Harris kicking for them (the NZer)
There was that bloody 12 all draw wasn't there?
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@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
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You don't mind losing if you play well or if it's a one-off like England in 2012, but that was one of the few times I've seen a game where it seemed not a single All Black stood out. Crotty & Goodhue were good on defence, and Ardie worked his socks off, but that was about all.
It was the senior players who need to look in the mirror. Too many dumb mistakes and discipline - and no clear thinking or leadership. Headless chickens when under pressure at times.
Some serious thinking needed before the next season
Edit: Not taking anything away from Ireland - they totally outplayed us. Deserved to win tonite.
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@mooshld said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I say it every time we play. But "Come on Boys I need this win" My misses and all my outlaws are Irish! I can dine off this for the next year. But if we lose, I cop it nonstop.
Ah shit, phone to silent for a month.
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@stargazer said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
The kicking was bad but often we weren't going forward when we did it. When we kept it for several phases up front we looked good only to make a silly error and let them off the hook. The first attack at the start of the game was typical
