Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@donsteppa said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Relying on fitness towards the end to win is so Gordon Tietjens. Great for a while, even a long time. Eventually the opposing squads cotton on and it ends increasingly badly...
I see what you did there
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
One of those 1014 podcasts mentioned that every team wants to kick in that part of the field. First I'd properly thought of it but looking around it seems on the mark.
Those podcasts/videos really are an eye opener into the complexities of the pro game. Little things like spreading rucks and making defenders run an extra metre or so or where a defender goes after a tackle. Pretty much analysed to the nth degree.
I think the kicking is more about execution than not kicking. Just my take
I agree. I actually don’t mind 90% of the kicking options we’ve take but our execution has been poor. But you can actually see what they are trying to achieve but the lack of accuracy has made us look ordinary.
I like Ben Smith at fullback but it’s plain as day why he plays on the wing because he’s the one guy that actually chases the high ball in attack. We need both our wingers to do that and as Barrett drops back we have sufficient cover for them to do so.
If DMac is persisted with I too wouldn’t mind seeing him on the wing for that reason. He has the pace and the game to be a very good chase down winger. I’ve never rated his kicking game.
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@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
Yeah I didn't even mention the halfbacks. Both of their kicking games are shit, and no idea about TTT. It's just not a strong point for us right now.
Thing is their kicking games have only recently been shit...conveniently timed to coincide with the ABs deciding they chase kicks at walking pace. And how fucking long do they take to set up for a standard kick, which they spray anywhere like in Me, Myself and Irene.
There's just got to be more to it.
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@act-crusader Hart's plan...give the ball to Jonah?
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@act-crusader said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I like Ben Smith at fullback but it’s plain as day why he plays on the wing because he’s the one guy that actually chases the high ball in attack. We need both our wingers to do that and as Barrett drops back we have sufficient cover for them to do so.
Yeah - I saw George Bridge chasing a couple of kicks that looked like forlorn hopes in Japan - but, George ran like a man possessed and good things happened.
I wish he was in Italy this week!
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
Less clear, if anything!
Hooroo explained it perfectly.
How about looking at it this way.
Shag et al's masterstroke is to keep their innovative and WC winning strategy under wraps one year out from the tournament in the hope that all the personnel involved in implementing said strategy will be fit & in form come tournament time.
If losses in test matches against NH teams is the result, so be it.
Sounds reasonable. Said no Kiwi ever.
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RS talkback has been pretty reasonable since yesterday, maybe all the loons are still hitting things, or maybe they only call up at night!
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
RS talkback has been pretty reasonable since yesterday, maybe all the loons are still hitting things, or maybe they only call up at night!
@snowy has ditched the phone for the fern.
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
How about looking at it this way.
Shag et al's masterstroke is to keep their innovative and WC winning strategy under wraps one year out from the tournament in the hope that all the personnel involved in implementing said strategy will be fit & in form come tournament time.
If losses in test matches against NH teams is the result, so be it.
Sounds reasonable. Said no Kiwi ever.
I agree. This isn't football with friendlys, test matches matter, keeping the Irish from winning vs the ABs in Dublin for the first time EVER mattered especially.
I hope Joe Schmidt can still sleep at night, destroying more than a hundred years of a legacy of his home country within two years. Traitorous fluffybunny! But please come save us from Fozzy though!
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
Less clear, if anything!
Hooroo explained it perfectly.
How about looking at it this way.
Shag et al's masterstroke is to keep their innovative and WC winning strategy under wraps one year out from the tournament in the hope that all the personnel involved in implementing said strategy will be fit & in form come tournament time.
If losses in test matches against NH teams is the result, so be it.
Sounds reasonable. Said no Kiwi ever.
Ok, I follow now. I was confused by the second 2 sentences which still in all honesty make no sense to me. National chips, and all.
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@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
Yeah I didn't even mention the halfbacks. Both of their kicking games are shit, and no idea about TTT. It's just not a strong point for us right now.
Thing is their kicking games have only recently been shit...conveniently timed to coincide with the ABs deciding they chase kicks at walking pace. And how fucking long do they take to set up for a standard kick, which they spray anywhere like in Me, Myself and Irene.
There's just got to be more to it.
Yeah, poor kicking has been a feature this year. That period against England when Crotty came on, and also between 55 - 70 minutes against Ireland we kept ball in hand more and started opening them up. I think if we do that for longer periods nobody can really go with us - probably easier said than done.
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I think a black mark against Read's captaincy in this match which has been mentioned in passing is the decision to take the 3 and get within 7 points right when we had them on the back foot. That was very surprising at the time and in hindsight a very poor decision as Ireland sent the subsequent kick off long then pinned us in our own half for most of the final 10 minutes.
If that's a 3 point game instead of a 7 point game then we probably wouldn't be as panicked trying to run the length of the field for a try, with the bonus confidence boost scoring gives you.
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@no-quarter although I guess if we're going down the powder dry route, you could point to that they wanted to see how they could respond and how the players reacted to being down by 7 points, with no hope of a win?
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Most teams aren't going to lay all their cards on the table less than 12 months from a world cup. So I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that they played this game differently than they would have a must-win RWC game.
I don't think anyone would have predicted that we wouldn't score a try and that Retallick, Read and B. Barrett would all be poor and our best players would be Ardie, Goodhue and S. Barrett. Hindsight is 20/20 but if you had told the team before they game that if they approached it the way they did, this would be the outcome, there's no way they wouldn't have played differently. Not saying they would have won but the idea that this was the outcome of pulling out all the stops is naive.
This doesn't absolve the coaches or players but it does put it into context. If we rock up playing like this against a tier 1 nation next year, we should expect a similar result.
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A few minutes past midnight and a truck was seen departing Rugby HQ in Wellington with large 24 gallon drums. One sauce said he saw the driver look inside each of them before carting them away. Some were heavier than others. The same sauce wondered if any contained this mysterious dry powder that has been rumoured to have been in the basement under 24 hour security since the pre-RWC loss to the Wallabies in Sydney in 1991.
Drum after drum, some with worn out signage - “1998-2002 master plan”, “losses we had to have”, “choking talking points”, “blame the grey”, “We wanted Deans”, “Richard Loe really is a nice guy”, “Mealamu and Christian values”, “Isaac Ross X-files”, “footage of Taine doing sit-ups and pull-ups”, “that handbag”.
One drum that took three guys to move had a inordinate number of random stickers on it with names of players, too numerous to see then all, but some names were Kevin O’Neill, Mark Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Aled de Malmache, Sosene Anesi, Pat Lam, just to name a few. As the drum was rolled into position on the truck, a larger sticker was now visible that simply read “photo albums”.
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@act-crusader said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
A few minutes past midnight and a truck was seen departing Rugby HQ in Wellington with large 24 gallon drums. One sauce said he saw the driver look inside each of them before carting them away. Some were heavier than others. The same sauce wondered if any contained this mysterious dry powder that has been rumoured to have been in the basement under 24 hour security since the pre-RWC loss to the Wallabies in Sydney in 1991.
Drum after drum, some with worn out signage - “1998-2002 master plan”, “losses we had to have”, “choking talking points”, “blame the grey”, “We wanted Deans”, “Richard Loe really is a nice guy”, “Mealamu and Christian values”, “Isaac Ross X-files”, “footage of Taine doing sit-ups and pull-ups”, “that handbag”.
One drum that took three guys to move had a inordinate number of random stickers on it with names of players, too numerous to see then all, but some names were Kevin O’Neill, Mark Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Aled de Malmache, Sosene Anesi, Pat Lam, just to name a few. As the drum was rolled into position on the truck, a larger sticker was now visible that simply read “photo albums”.
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Well that was a forgettable 2 weeks display by the ABS. What I can't understand is why play the best fullback on the wing, why is ALB not given more chances, Aaron Smith is out of form, TJ should've started with TTT on the bench. Every team runs at our 10/12 axes, cause we do not have a big hitting 6 like a Jerry Collins (rip) or Jerome Kaino. Its all good having forwards that pass and run like backs, but do your core duties first and foremost. Sam Whitelock looks old and tired, same with Read and Franks. Who is our defensive and attacking coaches? We've leaked more tries than usual and our attack is so predictable. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but geez bring back Wayne Smith, and please Steve Hansen pick Akira Ioane. And one last thing: I do not see any evidence of our much vaunted conditioning. Rant over GO THE MIGHTY ALL BLACKS. Sorry one last rant: IF I EVER SEE ANOTHER BOX KICK IN MY LIFETIME I WILL CHOKE SLAM MYSELF
As you were.
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@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
RS talkback has been pretty reasonable since yesterday, maybe all the loons are still hitting things, or maybe they only call up at night!
@snowy has ditched the phone for the fern.
I threw the phone through the tele about 78 minutes in.
