England vs All Blacks
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@margin_walker but when he tackles the player you now have a ruck with 1 each there.
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Too late in the day to get my law book out, but I'm pretty sure that's just a tackle situation. Not a ruck. Need a defending player to actually compete for the ball in some way.
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@margin_walker well the next AB player in moments later causes it to be a ruck or if the English guy gains his feet to atack the ball, only need 2 for a ruck
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Great find Gazer.
Puts all into perspective. Offside. Not even debatable.
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Needs at least one player from each team over the ball competing at some point iirc.
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@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Needs at least one player from each team over the ball competing at some point iirc.
For a ruck yes.
See tweets posted above by @Stargazer re offside at tackle.
Law of unintended consequence / karma.
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Good job someone's read the law book
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@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Good job someone's read the law book
Including Marius Jonkers
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@booboo when you re-watch it, was a 3 man tackle on Mounga, but one went down with him, 2 ABs quickly over the sole English player and Mounga on the ground...the English player on the ground actually creates a deeper off-side line for his players by wriggling out (he didnt look to be impeding the ball) had he not, Lawes would likely have been only marginally off with 'last mans feet' being pretty much foremost AB
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I get the English discontent though on that TMO call. The gap between Lawes being onside and offside was infinitely smaller than the gap between Perenara (and subsequent defensive efforts from Beauden) making a good play and shit play.
Kind of like a reverse Port Elizabeth 2011 game where the difference between the pass being forward and not was smaller than the distance by which the hometown TMO broke due process.
It is a risk referees like Garces run though. They swallow the whistle most of the game and let players push the boundaries if it does get tight in the last stanza you set yourself up for disaster. Players will be emboldened (in this case flaunting the offside line) and when a penalty is eventually called it is seen as out of character for the test.
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First thoughts before the fun of reading back through the match thread.
Well, that was squeaky bum time but you only have to be a point ahead to win the match. Also, we kicked a drop goal and that helped us win. Bahahaha.
Do the NH collectively have no idea how BBBR plays? The UK commentators consistently talked about how he's really good in the loose but how he was going so well in the set piece and tight. It was comical how he bitch slapped Itoje in the lineout though.
Underhill was getting big wraps for his defence, but I can't remember a player who goes off his feet as often as he does. If he gets to a ruck he basically takes himself out of the game.
For once this year Crotty had the impact when coming on that @Stargazer credits him with every match. Both him and SBW still look broken but he looks less broken (and like @mariner4life I'd prefer ALB coming on). Good to see Goodhue back and not looking like he's still crook.
Read's not in great form at the moment, time to bring in Whitelock ... hahaha, just kidding, even not in great form Read is still our best 8 and I'm confident he'll get back to near his best.
It was great how the AB'c came back close to half time, but man it took them ages to get going.
I nearly threw my coffee cup at the TV when England 'scored' at the end, but as NZR has the refs in our pocket I shouldn't have been worried.
Garces was not too random.
Why does WR allow a 9 to drag a ball out or a ruck yet still claim it to be in a ruck? It seems to be a NH trait but then even TJ started getting in on the act.
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@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:
@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Good job someone's read the law book
Including Marius Jonkers
I blame Brendan Venter
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not sure how Garces didnt see this though, stands out like a sore thumb.
It aint like he just got out of the blocks quick, he is just off side.
Pretty sure there were comments about how controversy may follow when Garces was appointed...
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After reading the comments in English papers I really think that many (not all) English fans have not learnt anything and are getting caught in the 'mystique' of the ABs. this game again highlighted many of England's short comings against the ABs and other teams during the last 12 mnths. Unless they realise this they will not contest the WC.
- There bench is poor and Lineouts are wobbly at best.
- They need to play more than 20-30% good rugby to win games, this happened down in SA this year and consistently in other games.
- Rugby smarts and ability to have more than one game plan or play what is in front of you and not be robotic.
- The ABs contrary to belief do not win all games by 30 points! being happy that you got close or blaming ref then puffing out chest will not help you improve, they lost, figure out what as a team you could do different.
To me they, and EJ are in survival mode and unless he becomes less predictable and more bold nothing will change. The ABs win games but look back at the last 10-15 years in particular they learn to win no matter what and are always looking at themselves and what they can do better.
when I reflect on the game and don't see anything that England are doing differently then they have in the last 10 years.
Maybe i might be wring in 12 months but I can't see that team going through a knockout tournament and winning it, no matter who comes back for them. -
@majorrage said in England vs All Blacks:
England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
think you're on your own there, sure thumping them by 30 points would have been enjoyable.
But to not only inflict a 1 point loss but also the added heartache that they 'were robbed'.
Which clearly they werent.Its oj though, they only have 12 months to stew on this result.
Right team won, and it wasnt the team that scored all their points inside the first 25 mins..
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@majorrage if it was us on the end of that, I'd be more pissed with the TMO injecting himself into the game, one part I dont agree with, not the off side call.
I thought they amended things so TMO could only rule on foul play without ref asking otherwise he is only allowed to call when asked by the ref, or was that just TRC?
