Exodus
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Dan54 I meant on here before you threw your toys.
As far as i could tell, we were talking generally re contracting.
Fair enough , I was talking re BB case as that was where NZR was involved. And was never aimed at you was in reply to the so called waste of NZR's recourses.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Dan54 maybe you could read whats been written?
Yep I did, where someone who is employed by NZR had a suggestion, that needed to go before the board before any further discussion would be had?
Have I missed something, the NZR made no offer , someone was obviously looking at seeing if there was any new ideas to be had, NZR said no there wasn't!We were talking generally not the actual article.
Yes it was stupid by the NZR to even consider it or breach the subject with Barrett.
Another bad thought entered someone’s head at NZR.Not for the first time lately.And you throwing your dummy out of the cot does not change anyone’s opinion.
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@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it. -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place. -
@Chris I would think that too, but maybe these people explore all possiblities, just to get paramaters on where they can go later?
I will give you a couple of examples, years back when I was on rugby club committee, it was suggested that we should look at incorporating netball teams. it was thrown out so far as crazy scheme as we were a RUGBY club, and our sole job was looking after rugby teams etc.. Guess I don't need to tell you how long after that there were women's hockey team, followed not long after by a number of netball teams. Those that didn't want netball teams, had real valid reasons too.
Also even earlier committee I was chair of there was discussion on letting girls play Saturday morning rugby!! How crazy was that?? No chance of course! -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board listened?
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@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board
I really hope it doesn’t happen it will be to the detriment of their own back yard if they do.
The paying players was forced on them by the professional group that tried to sign players for a Rebel competition in World Rugby Championship (WRC) backed by Packer.
So not really a Rugby board but a group of businessmen came up with that idea -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board
I really hope it doesn’t happen it will be to the detriment of their own back yard if they do.
The paying players was forced on them by the professional group that tried to sign players for a Rebel competition in World Rugby Championship (WRC) backed by Packer.
So not really a Rugby board but a group of businessmen came up with that ideaYep and someone came up with the idea Chris. It all starts somewhere, people had been talking pro rugby for quite a time, and it had been discussed at board level and turned down.
You live in Aussie don't you? How do you feel about your own rugby board doing the very thing that NZR has turned down, and to be honest they didn't want to probably anymore than NZR do, but as they not run as well, not in a position to keep players. And SARFU, Scotland, Wales etc. The only rugby unions that don't allow players to play overseas that I know are NZR, FRU and I think RU in England, not sure about Ireland but believe you still can play elsewhere, more money in Ireland though from what I gather. Are all these other unions poorly run and a bunch of idiots? See we seem to have different standards for different places don't we? Surely not every RU in world is not that poorly run?
I don't know what answer is, but we didn't think we would see sabbaticals,(well I didn't) and many don't like them, but there a lot of coin out there we compete against. so every now and then you have to throw up radical ideas to see if there are better ways. -
@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
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@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board
I really hope it doesn’t happen it will be to the detriment of their own back yard if they do.
The paying players was forced on them by the professional group that tried to sign players for a Rebel competition in World Rugby Championship (WRC) backed by Packer.
So not really a Rugby board but a group of businessmen came up with that ideaYep and someone came up with the idea Chris. It all starts somewhere, people had been talking pro rugby for quite a time, and it had been discussed at board level and turned down.
You live in Aussie don't you? How do you feel about your own rugby board doing the very thing that NZR has turned down. And SARFU, Scotland, Wales etc. The only rugby unions that don't allow players to play overseas that I know are NZR, FRU and I thing RU in England, not sure about Ireland but believe you still can play elsewhere, more money in Ireland though from what I gather. Are all these other unions poorly run and a bunch of idiots? See we seem to have different standards for different places don't we? Surely not every RU in world is not that poorly run?I may live here due to my coaching career but it is not my board in Australia,I don't support them just were I was born have family friends and have played in NZ..
So I feel sweet Fuck all about Australian rugby boards.
They can stuff up as much as they like.I just care about were my friends and Family are involved in rugby in Canterbury and NZ.
Because like me some of their pay packets rely on Boards being efficient. -
@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
I know why it was done Bones I was involved in rugby when it happened, it was still something that someone had to suggest sometime, and league had been around for 60 years at least before it happened. Even league started with some crazy idea!!
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@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
I know why it was done Bones I was involved in rugby when it happened, it was still something that someone had to suggest sometime, and league had been around for 60 years at least before it happened. Even league started with some crazy idea!!
Imagine being involved in rugby when that was done! I think most of us only know it from posting in a forum for maybe the last year.
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@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board
I really hope it doesn’t happen it will be to the detriment of their own back yard if they do.
The paying players was forced on them by the professional group that tried to sign players for a Rebel competition in World Rugby Championship (WRC) backed by Packer.
So not really a Rugby board but a group of businessmen came up with that ideaYep and someone came up with the idea Chris. It all starts somewhere, people had been talking pro rugby for quite a time, and it had been discussed at board level and turned down.
You live in Aussie don't you? How do you feel about your own rugby board doing the very thing that NZR has turned down. And SARFU, Scotland, Wales etc. The only rugby unions that don't allow players to play overseas that I know are NZR, FRU and I thing RU in England, not sure about Ireland but believe you still can play elsewhere, more money in Ireland though from what I gather. Are all these other unions poorly run and a bunch of idiots? See we seem to have different standards for different places don't we? Surely not every RU in world is not that poorly run?I may live here due to my coaching career but it is not my board in Australia,I don't support them just were I was born have family friends and have played in NZ..
So I feel sweet Fuck all about Australian rugby boards.
They can stuff up as much as they like.I just care about were my friends and Family are involved in rugby in Canterbury and NZ.
Because like me some of their pay packets rely on Boards being efficient.So Chris, your family and friends are being paid by being part of one of financially stable rugby boards in the world. Ok well as pointed out NZR are one of the few who have been able to keep test players, yet because you got family and friends getting some of the coin they bring in ( and your whanau are no doubt doing there bit too make game here good, so would I assume also be good at job too) you feel you should sit there and constantly moan, because I have never really seen anything positive from you re NZR etc. And as you point out these friends etc are part of NZR that you seem to strongly dislike.
If you know f all about other rugby boards , you don't know whether NZR is best or worst run board around I take it. I think they are, and your friends etc are doing a great job as part of it. -
@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
I know why it was done Bones I was involved in rugby when it happened, it was still something that someone had to suggest sometime, and league had been around for 60 years at least before it happened. Even league started with some crazy idea!!
Imagine being involved in rugby when that was done! I think most of us only know it from posting in a forum for maybe the last year.
No mate I mean I was on provincial boards etc, not saying that good, or knew more, was simply saying I was around and knew why rugby went pro.
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@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
I know why it was done Bones I was involved in rugby when it happened, it was still something that someone had to suggest sometime, and league had been around for 60 years at least before it happened. Even league started with some crazy idea!!
Imagine being involved in rugby when that was done! I think most of us only know it from posting in a forum for maybe the last year.
No mate I mean I was on provincial boards etc, not saying that good, or knew more, was simply saying I was around and knew why rugby went pro.
Yeah what a mystery that remains to anyone not on a board.
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@Dan54 what a visionary that person who came up with paying rugby players, at a time when there was no other professional sports and rugby players hadn't been getting paid under the table. There wasn't even a breakaway sport that was very similar that rugby union players were shifting to, to get paid.
I know why it was done Bones I was involved in rugby when it happened, it was still something that someone had to suggest sometime, and league had been around for 60 years at least before it happened. Even league started with some crazy idea!!
Imagine being involved in rugby when that was done! I think most of us only know it from posting in a forum for maybe the last year.
No mate I mean I was on provincial boards etc, not saying that good, or knew more, was simply saying I was around and knew why rugby went pro.
Yeah what a mystery that remains to anyone not on a board.
Not sure of your point, we all knew why it went pro, you said why, I agreed and said I was around when it happened, much as I disliked the idea.
Like you probably I learnt most about by watching the news at night and seeing where Jock Hobbs was that day. The man who more or less saved NZ rugby I thought. Was not some of our players proudest moments, but that another story. -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board
I really hope it doesn’t happen it will be to the detriment of their own back yard if they do.
The paying players was forced on them by the professional group that tried to sign players for a Rebel competition in World Rugby Championship (WRC) backed by Packer.
So not really a Rugby board but a group of businessmen came up with that ideaYep and someone came up with the idea Chris. It all starts somewhere, people had been talking pro rugby for quite a time, and it had been discussed at board level and turned down.
You live in Aussie don't you? How do you feel about your own rugby board doing the very thing that NZR has turned down. And SARFU, Scotland, Wales etc. The only rugby unions that don't allow players to play overseas that I know are NZR, FRU and I thing RU in England, not sure about Ireland but believe you still can play elsewhere, more money in Ireland though from what I gather. Are all these other unions poorly run and a bunch of idiots? See we seem to have different standards for different places don't we? Surely not every RU in world is not that poorly run?I may live here due to my coaching career but it is not my board in Australia,I don't support them just were I was born have family friends and have played in NZ..
So I feel sweet Fuck all about Australian rugby boards.
They can stuff up as much as they like.I just care about were my friends and Family are involved in rugby in Canterbury and NZ.
Because like me some of their pay packets rely on Boards being efficient.So Chris, your family and friends are being paid by being part of one of financially stable rugby boards in the world. Ok well as pointed out NZR are one of the few who have been able to keep test players, yet because you got family and friends getting some of the coin they bring in ( and your whanau are no doubt doing there bit too make game here good, so would I assume also be good at job too) you feel you should sit there and constantly moan, because I have never really seen anything positive from you re NZR etc. And as you point out these friends etc are part of NZR that you seem to strongly dislike.
If you know f all about other rugby boards , you don't know whether NZR is best or worst run board around I take it. I think they are, and your friend etc are doing a great job as part of it.Well you have not read all my posts then I have certainty praised them when they have gone well.
But I am not going to kiss their arse like you do at every opportunity.That’s a terrible way of keeping them honest isn’t it, blindly defending them at every opportunitiy you can .
More PC Bs you are one of the reasons boards get away with stuffing up because you can’t face up to mistakes and carry on regardless.
Never do no wrong aye yeah right.
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If it goes to board level then it is not just brainstorming ...
Well it is, because anyone who has idea has to take it too board level to see if it can be discussed first. Surely any idea is talked about, then taken to higher level to see if it can be done, it is in almost any business I been involved in.
That's how we got sabbaticals, Cater's agent took it to negotiating table , they listened and took it to board who agreed.
And personally have done similar myself, dept I ran , young fella was leaving, I asked if he got more money would he consider staying, he said he would think on it, boss didn't want to pay him more, so no problem.Mate, I’ve stayed out of a lot of the governance discussions on here, but that’s a bit of nonsense that can’t be ignored.
Stuff that reaches board level should be considered, thought out, properly analysed. It should be pitched to the board, not presented as a brainstorming exercise.
I’ll confess that I’ve never been on a sporting board so maybe it’s done differently there. I currently serve on 4 corporate boards though, and I’ll say that it’s pretty rare that someone brings a proposal to us that doesn’t have the full support of the execs, that hasn’t been costed and thought out properly.
Maybe sports boards are used more as sounding boards than corporate ones?
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It's only a matter of time before out best players are overseas and new zealand has only a tier 2 domestic league.
Super rugby is bleeding to the nrl and other aussie sports as TV product. It will become more cost effective to have one league and let the expensive boys go over seas.
Unless nzr comes up with some increased revenue some where, I think they will be forced into this
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If it goes to board level then it is not just brainstorming ...
Well it is, because anyone who has idea has to take it too board level to see if it can be discussed first. Surely any idea is talked about, then taken to higher level to see if it can be done, it is in almost any business I been involved in.
That's how we got sabbaticals, Cater's agent took it to negotiating table , they listened and took it to board who agreed.
And personally have done similar myself, dept I ran , young fella was leaving, I asked if he got more money would he consider staying, he said he would think on it, boss didn't want to pay him more, so no problem.Mate, I’ve stayed out of a lot of the governance discussions on here, but that’s a bit of nonsense that can’t be ignored.
Stuff that reaches board level should be considered, thought out, properly analysed. It should be pitched to the board, not presented as a brainstorming exercise.
I’ll confess that I’ve never been on a sporting board so maybe it’s done differently there. I currently serve on 4 corporate boards though, and I’ll say that it’s pretty rare that someone brings a proposal to us that doesn’t have the full support of the execs, that hasn’t been costed and thought out properly.
Maybe sports boards are used more as sounding boards than corporate ones?
Well every rugby board I have been involved in if someone comes up with what is considered a new idea, it was almost always discussed, even if briefly.
Most sports boards are actually (like NZR etc) at the behest of the people in their sport, as they like NZR are the people who appoint-vote them in.
Anyway that's enough about that, I admit to getting fired up with constant negativity, NZR like any board makes mistakes but this wasn't one.
