AB EOYT 2018
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@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
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@nepia said in AB EOYT 2018:
@chris-b Alaimalo has been impressive at Super level, so probably as qualified to be a bolter than someone who's been impressive for Ta$man. It would go Alaimalo, Bridge and then Jordan for me. At the risk of coping some flack from the Canes fans I think Lam has missed his chance. He had a number of years of being average then 5 months of being awesome and then back to average again.
Alaimino has been very disappointing in the NPC though. I did rate him above Bridge after super rugby tho.
Ben Lam consistently goes missing in the big games.
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@nepia said in AB EOYT 2018:
@chris-b Alaimalo has been impressive at Super level, so probably as qualified to be a bolter than someone who's been impressive for Ta$man. It would go Alaimalo, Bridge and then Jordan for me. At the risk of coping some flack from the Canes fans I think Lam has missed his chance. He had a number of years of being average then 5 months of being awesome and then back to average again.
Yeah - and I can see why you'd argue that. But, Alaimalo has been a bit underwhelming for Ta$man, where Jordan has been outstanding. Head-to-Head on current form Jordan wins easily.
But, as noted - Jordan is still just 20, so probably more an apprentice than a fully fledged pick -and if they're taking 51 players then they're probably not going to require apprentices!
I also can't really see them taking a gamble on him in a RWC squad next year, regardless of how he might go in Super Rugby, so probably no need to rush with him.
You might well be right about Lam.
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@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
They probably said the same about Sam Broomball as well
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@chris-b said in AB EOYT 2018:
@nepia said in AB EOYT 2018:
@chris-b Alaimalo has been impressive at Super level, so probably as qualified to be a bolter than someone who's been impressive for Ta$man. It would go Alaimalo, Bridge and then Jordan for me. At the risk of coping some flack from the Canes fans I think Lam has missed his chance. He had a number of years of being average then 5 months of being awesome and then back to average again.
Yeah - and I can see why you'd argue that. But, Alaimalo has been a bit underwhelming for Ta$man, where Jordan has been outstanding. Head-to-Head on current form Jordan wins easily.
But, as noted - Jordan is still just 20, so probably more an apprentice than a fully fledged pick -and if they're taking 51 players then they're probably not going to require apprentices!
I also can't really see them taking a gamble on him in a RWC squad next year, regardless of how he might go in Super Rugby, so probably no need to rush with him.
You might well be right about Lam.
Most of these young guys don’t last a full and long season without tailing off. I wouldn’t be looking at them for this gig.
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@sammyc have heard through the grapevine he isnt enjoying his time down there for whatever reason, so I guess if true can flow through to play?
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@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
@chris-b I think Lock is a bit of an issue too.
Looking beyond 2019, are Barrett (24) or Pat (25) genuine options to take over if/when SW (29) or BBBR (27) head off shore or age starts taking it's toll?
I think they need to bring in some f the younger guys now, we have seen the effects having no BBBR and/or Whitelock makes to our game.
I guess it depends on whether they're looking beyond RWC with this squad - or not. At lock, we're not really going to do any better than what we have before RWC, so:
Retallick, Whitelock, Barrett, Tuipolotu, Romano, Franklin - we've got a reasonable amount of depth - just there's a big gap between the top two and the rest that we're not going to solve by calling in new guys.
I like the look of Parkinson in terms of physique. He's got height that not many others have. Strange has been going pretty well in M10 Cup as well though.
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@chris-b I think in this 51 man squad, surely this is a look beyond 2019?
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@taniwharugby To be honest, I'm not sure what it (mainly) is.
a. A look beyond 2019?
b. A "you are the guys who are in the RWC frame"? Or
c. We don't want the 23 players who will play against England playing against Japan and we need 19 additional guys to make up the squad and provide adequate cover for training ground injuries?
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@chris-b be hugely surprised if more than 1 or 2 players outside the current group are in consideration for the RWC (barring Injury)
So my take is that it is looking beyond 2019.
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@taniwharugby Injury is likely to be a thing, though.
Certainly it's inescapable that there will be a bit of a look to the future - though the question is why this year.
The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think that maybe it will mainly be c. The extra guys they take will tell the story - two spare props, a hooker, halfback and first five - plus one.
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@chris-b It's mainly so that the test 23 avoid having to travel in the week of the England test which would affect recovery, preparation and performance. There maybe one eye on the future but I think Hansen and co are more interested in the now.
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@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
They probably said the same about Sam Broomball as well
Most of us have moved on from 2002.
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@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
They probably said the same about Sam Broomball as well
Most of us have moved on from 2002.
Really ? I've been to chch recently. The mullets and moleskins would indicate this is not true
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@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
They probably said the same about Sam Broomball as well
Most of us have moved on from 2002.
Really ? I've been to chch recently. The mullets and moleskins would indicate this is not true
Look at the hipster from Wellington shouting about fashion choices on a rugby thread.
I'm picturing a big beard and tight jeans.
You probably do pilates too aye.
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@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mn5 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sammyc said in AB EOYT 2018:
@akan004 said in AB EOYT 2018:
@cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.
Strange had a very impressive super season. Apparently the Crusaders coaches are convinced he’ll be a long term All Black.
Parkinson has had a great NPC, agree with you on this one.
They probably said the same about Sam Broomball as well
Most of us have moved on from 2002.
Really ? I've been to chch recently. The mullets and moleskins would indicate this is not true
Look at the hipster from Wellington shouting about fashion choices on a rugby thread.
I'm picturing a big beard and tight jeans.
You probably do pilates too aye.
Don't forget craft beers and vaping.
In my defence none of my sexual partners have been relatives though so that's something.
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@sammyc 2/3 bro....haha
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apparently NZR are negotiating with Matt Todd's Japanese team about release for all or part of the EOYT (just heard on the wireless)
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@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
apparently NZR are negotiating with Matt Todd's Japanese team about release for all or part of the EOYT (just heard on the wireless)
Panasonic offered to have a release clause in Todd's contract but NZR declined. Seems stupid to be back-tracking now whatever the circumstances.
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@bovidae I agree, also sends a rubbish message to the likes of Hunt.
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@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
apparently NZR are negotiating with Matt Todd's Japanese team about release for all or part of the EOYT (just heard on the wireless)
WiFi?
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I think that once Todd made the decision to go, and according to newspaper reports he made a financial decision to do so, then we should be looking elsewhere for this tour as it will give us a chance to build depth. He's been around enough to just be able to slot back in next year.
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@bones said in AB EOYT 2018:
@crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:
On another EOYT matter, just had a look at tickets for Rome and there are still plenty available.
If airfares and accom aren't too pricy this could be a weekender.Ooooh, very tempting. I went a couple of years ago and it was excellent. Porchetta sandwiches outside the stadium! Other half wasn't too impressed with them not serving wine though.
Food and drink delivered to your seat is also hell awesome. Great place to watch and the Italian fans are awesome.
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Sparky's 51 with ages and number of All Blacks Tests.
Tim Perry (30-5)
Joe Moody (30-36)
Karl Tu'inukuafe (25-9)
Owen Franks (30-103)
Nepo Laulala (26-13)
Ofa Tu'ungafasi (26-22)
Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (27-1)Dane Coles (31-56)
Codie Taylor (27-38)
Nathan Harris (26-18)
Liam Coltman (28-3)Luke Romano (32-31)
Sam Whitelock (29-105)
Brodie Retallick (27 -71)
Scott Barrett (24-25)
Patrick Tuipulotu (25-19)
Quentin Strange (22-0)Liam Squire (27-21)
Shannon Frizell (24-4)
Ardie Savea (24-31)
Dillon Hunt (23-0)
Vaea Fifita (26-7)
Jackson Hemopo (24-2)
Dalton Papali'i (20-0)
Luke Whitelock (27-6)
Kieron Read (32-114)
Akira Ioane (23-0)Aaron Smith (29-79)
TJ Perenera (26-31)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23-1)
Brad Weber (27-1)Beauden Barrett (27-69)
Richie Mo'unga (24-4)
Damien McKenzie (23-19)
Mitchell Hunt (23-0)Ngani Laumape (25-8)
Ryan Crotty (30-40)
Anton Leinert-Brown (23-30)
Jack Goodhue (23-5)
Matt Proctor (25-0)
Sonny Bill Williams (33-49)
Ma'a Nonu (36-103)Reiko Ioane (21-20)
Waisake Naholo (27-24)
Ben Smith (32-73)
Jordie Barrett (21-7)
David Havili (23-5)
Nehe Milner Skudder (27-12)
Vince Aso (23-0)
George Bridge (23-0)
Will Jordan (20-0) -
Replace Jordan with Lam (Jordan too young for the wise men), and Nonu with A N Other and I reckon you're right. Be great for Nonu to make a come back, great story, but he's been grinding boring shite in France for too long now - unless he's one of the non playing 6 just in casers.
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I see Jordan is getting a lot of support - he's always struck me as a bit flaky previously (like McNicholl) and I'm surprised to see him being promoted ahead of Ennor. But I've watched fuck all NPC.
Also surprising to see Proctor roundly being preferred ahead of Thompson.
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Lentjes is smarter than the journo who calls him a ABs contender. It has only been some media that linked him to higher honours. If the ABs coaches select him, I'll seriously question their sanity.
Despite being linked to higher honours, Otago flanker James Lentjes thinks he is a long shot to make the All Blacks' end of year tour squad.
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@sparky how many medical staff people do reckon they are taking..?
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@sparky A big question with that selection is that they would have to keep at least five props in Japan - in case someone got injured in the warm-ups.
So of the 10 "Main Squad" players who are staying in Japan, three would be props.
That doesn't seem likely to me. I reckon add Ta'avao and probably a loosehead of your choice.
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@chris-b said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sparky A big question with that selection is that they would have to keep at least five props in Japan - in case someone got injured in the warm-ups.
So of the 10 "Main Squad" players who are staying in Japan, three would be props.
That doesn't seem likely to me. I reckon add Ta'avao and probably a loosehead of your choice.
Yep. More props will be needed. A case of any healthy prop that has played super rugby will be in contention.
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From the NZ Herald,The man who handed out the most significant red card in All Blacks' history will take charge of the side's most anticipated test this year.
Referee Jerome Garces, who sent off Sonny Bill Williams last year, will be the man in the middle of the All Blacks' clash against England at Twickenham on November 11.
The Frenchman sent Williams was sent off in the 25th minute of the 24-21 loss to the Lions in Wellington last year, after the All Black second five's shoulder connected with Anthony Watson's head in a tackle attempt.
Williams became just the third All Black to be ordered off the field in 561 matches.
Garces last took charge of an All Blacks' test in Cape Town last year."It's just one of those things that happens in rugby," Williams told media last year before facing Garces in the middle again.
"I've gone back and worked hard on my tackle technique. I feel like I've made steps in the right direction to hopefully not get a red card...maybe a yellow," he joked.
In the other highly anticipated clash next month, English referee Wayne Barnes will take charge of the All Blacks-Ireland test in Dublin a week later.
Ireland sit second behind the All Blacks in the World Rugby rankings.
Irish referee Andrew Bruce will be in charge of the All Blacks' final test of the year against Italy in Rome.
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@daffy-jaffy I'd struggle to call that a tackle attempt. Easier to see his shoulder made contact with Watson's head in a shoulder charge attempt.
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I have less of an issue with it being the same ref that gave a RC than the fact he just isnt a very good ref.
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Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
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The problem in that test wasn't the red card, SBWs tackling "technique" has always been suss, it was the penalty when the Lions player jumped into a tackle from a pass that grates me. See it all the time with no penalty, but on that occasion...
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@nzzp said in AB EOYT 2018:
Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
If it comes down to the ref then we only have ourselves to blame. In my mind the ref is no excuse for a loss
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taniwharugbyreplied to No Quarter on 10 Oct 2018, 19:45 last edited by taniwharugby 10 Oct 2018, 19:51
@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
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@hooroo said in AB EOYT 2018:
If it comes down to the ref then we only have ourselves to blame. In my mind the ref is no excuse for a loss
Nope, no excuse, but it's like playing away - some refs make winning harder. Before the Lions I had concerns about a bizarre call from one of the Froggies, and so it turned out. Likewise, I'd be stoked if the refs weren't pivotal, but if we get through those two tests without a controversial call, I'll be delighted.
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@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
Poite reffed the third test and was the one that made nonsensical deals to avoid having to make a big call. Garces gave the penalty for jumping into the tackle at the end of test 2.
Either way they are much of a muchness. Crazy we had two of the most inconsistent refs in world rugby for tests 2 and 3.
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