Springboks V All Blacks
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
To get that wrong in real time would be acceptable, as from a certain angle it would be possible for an optical illusion to make the ref think it was head high.
For the TMO to get that wrong was just so, so, poor.
That must have been very early days for TMOs use for foul play? A very inauspicious beginning.
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
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@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
The most obvious non call was the obstruction on Kriel's first try. I think it was Pollard that ran behind the saffa 8 that broke us open
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
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@canefan said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
The most obvious non call was the obstruction on Kriel's first try. I think it was Pollard that ran behind the saffa 8 that broke us open
In the inevitable post-match social media forensic accounting of the refereeing performance. It's quite clear SAF got the most benefit of the crucial decisions.
For:
- PSDT lazy running under his posts.
- Kolisi obstructon on Sam W in Le Roux break for Kriel try.
- Phantom Kolbe try.
Against:
- Taylor pass in Smith try.
Other non-try scoring movement stuff:
- 5 consecutive penalties: Meh. Both teams did this. NZ's sequence included SBW offside in front of his posts. SAFs sequence included a Dyantyi slap down. I applaud Gardner's non reaching for the pocket. I don't understand card braying.
- PSDT lifting tackle penalty leading to NZ attacking lineout: Yeah I didn't see a problem. No replays. I'd be annoyed.
- The final lineout: come on?1 That's rates a 2 out of 100 on the controversy scale. It was down the channel, and thrown to the front where any slightly non straight throw doesn't get accentuated.
- Various ruck complaints. Meh. Who but the lord above can judge whether holding for 2.1 seconds or 2.4 seconds is penalisable or entering at 75 degrees or 63 degrees ....
I actually thought the Taylor to Smith pass was forward. Taylor started angling in and then passed back accross his body angle outside to Smith. It would take a bit to prove to me that it went back out of the hands, and best I think it might have been physically possible for it to go straight out of the hand and then drift forward, which for me isn't good enough. I'm not happy with the current forward pass rules so have almost put them on ignore function anyway to stop my mind exploding each saturday.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
How is RC deemed to be out of window?
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
How is RC deemed to be out of window?
It's not in window as far as I know (nor is 6 nations?).
Which is why the RC is a closed club for SH nations financially strong enough to have domestic professional teams with a pool of players under their own central contracting.
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I didn’t realize that. So only June, EOYT and RWC are ‘window’?
I think so. I've done a google search but it's just pages of articles on the global calendar changes.
Also the name 'World Rugby' makes google searches a pretty fucking pointless trawl. It's a phrase, not a name. Bring back the IRB!
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I posted a condensed summary of the Global Release windows a week or so back.
Here is the link to the WR regulations over availability of players.
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REgulation 9
June window - 3 weekends in June - Unless Council approves otherwise the three weekends in June shall be the second, third and fourth weekends.
November window - 3 weekends in November - Unless Council approves otherwise the three weekends in November shall be the second, third and fourth weekends.
... plus ...
Northern Hemisphere - from the first weekend of February each year and conclude on the third weekend of March.
Southern Hemisphere - commence on the first weekend of August and continue for the next eight consecutive weekends.
.. plus, a whole of other shit... eg:
(Southern Hemisphere) eg: Four Nations Release Period shall operate each year for an eight week period. It shall commence on or around the third weekend in August and shall conclude on or around the first weekend in October each year
Edit - @Bovidae provided same info, much more succinctly. -
@bovidae said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I posted a condensed summary of the Global Release windows a week or so back.
Here is the link to the WR regulations over availability of players.
Thanks.
So there is this bit.
(b) Southern Hemisphere Release Period
(ii) Unless Council approves otherwise the Southern Hemisphere Release Period shall operate each year. It shall commence on the first weekend of August and continue for the next eight consecutive weekends. Players shall be released prior to the Southern Hemisphere Release Period in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 9.9.
I guess that makes some sense then to me now. Understand more now the silly buggers business Leicester were playing with Toomua and Polota-Nau. Technically legal and attempting to make it not worth the bother.
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Rugby Championship: Team of the Tournament
With another Rugby Championship now a thing of the past, it is time for us to sit down and select our dream team from this year's tournament.
reasonable looking team, BBBR taking a place off three games, seems they auto vote him there too.
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@machpants said in Springboks V All Blacks:
With another Rugby Championship now a thing of the past, it is time for us to sit down and select our dream team from this year's tournament.
reasonable looking team, BBBR taking a place off three games, seems they auto vote him there too.
Would have had Pollard ahead of Beauden at 10.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@machpants said in Springboks V All Blacks:
With another Rugby Championship now a thing of the past, it is time for us to sit down and select our dream team from this year's tournament.
reasonable looking team, BBBR taking a place off three games, seems they auto vote him there too.
Would have had Pollard ahead of Beauden at 10.
not Sanchez?
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@antipodean Possibly, but Pollard stood up and performed well against the best team in the world twice so he gets the nod for me.
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@antipodean I saw another best of team that had Sanchez at 10...
Think it was Karl T, Marx, Franks, Etzebeth, Mostert, du Toit, Pocock, Read, Faf, Sanchez, Crotty, Goodhue, Ioane, Dyanti, Le Roux
