Springboks V All Blacks
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
That's a piss take surely? Unless of course you want to blame BB for forwards knocking on the ball or AS deliberately passing into an opposition player. Maybe blame him for the missed tackles as well?
My criticism of BB would be that those kicks just aren't working. They were shit for the Canes and now shit for the ABs. The chase seems non-existent as well. Clearly these must be the tactics, but if these can't be executed then should be changed.
The thing is these are vastly different points of a game. Defences are tired and it's a completely different dynamic. It's hard to know how BB will be at 10 after 50-60 minutes because he's always shifted to fullback.
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Surely the against the odds last 10 or so minutes doesn't just wipe away an hour of no phases and what looked like kick and hope? The space and passive defence they had when leroux iinjected and went wide was concerning.
That was some losing rugby for an hour or so.
Maybe it was tactical but that was as bad as we've played for a long time and looked a lot like a weak strategy or poor game plan communication.
Definitely needs addressing IMO, not just brushing away with tired or lack of first stringers
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@steven-harris I hope they go with Dalton. He has the most potential imo.
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Another configuration for our backline could be DMac at 15, BFA to 14. That could help Beauden as DMac could play a bit of first receiver, allowing Beauden to drift a bit wider where there is more space. Then Mo'unga on the bench to provide impact late in the game.
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I'd like to see them try that (it was my preferred 15 for the game).
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
The added benefit of having a 10 who plays square to the defensive line and takes the defensive line on like Mo'unga does is that it actually helps your midfield (and the rest of your backline) as the defense can't just drift off your 10, knowing he's going stand passively and pass.....
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If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
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@gt12 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
It looked like an ill-thought out gameplan, poorly executed to boot.
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses, as he's not a tradional 10 by any stretch. I don't think the starting backline for this test really does that.
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses
more kick-passes to the touchie?
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
The added benefit of having a 10 who plays square to the defensive line and takes the defensive line on like Mo'unga does is that it actually helps your midfield (and the rest of your backline) as the defense can't just drift off your 10, knowing he's going stand passively and pass.....
Yeah, my comment was a little tounge-in-cheek, but at the moment we have a 10 whose obvious strength is running and we are not using it at all.
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Another configuration for our backline could be DMac at 15, BFA to 14. That could help Beauden as DMac could play a bit of first receiver, allowing Beauden to drift a bit wider where there is more space.
But they already have a game plan of moving our first five-eighth wide to have more room.
I can accept losing collisions, it happens and just because you put on a black jersey doesn't mean you win them all. What I want to know is if the game plan is necessitated by having some sort of parity or front foot ball to set up conditions in the final stanza? Or are they not adapting to the limited opportunities they have?
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@gt12 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
It looked like an ill-thought out gameplan, poorly executed to boot.
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses, as he's not a tradional 10 by any stretch. I don't think the starting backline for this test really does that.
I'm not so sure it is (it could be of course, in which case, let's rochampbeau Fozzie, I'll help), however I thnk he's playing what he sees, without thinking about game position or ball retention or developing phase play - just sees opportunity, tries to take opportunity. I'd love to see th numbers, because if it is as risky as it looks, I'd consider asking my wings to take a few steps back and always leave at as a potential option for the opposing 10...
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@gt12 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@gt12 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
It looked like an ill-thought out gameplan, poorly executed to boot.
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses, as he's not a tradional 10 by any stretch. I don't think the starting backline for this test really does that.
I'm not so sure it is (it could be of course, in which case, let's rochampbeau Fozzie, I'll help), however I thnk he's playing what he sees, without thinking about game position or ball retention or developing phase play - just sees opportunity, tries to take opportunity. I'd love to see th numbers, because if it is as risky as it looks, I'd consider asking my wings to take a few steps back and always leave at as a potential option for the opposing 10...
The bold above. Please explain? 2nd time you've used the term. Google not helpful.
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@booboo Probably..... Upon his return to France, Rochambeau was honored by King Louis XVI and was made governor of the province of Picardy. He supported the French Revolution of 1789, and on 28 December 1791 he and Nicolas Luckner became the last two generals created Marshal of France by Louis XVI. When the French Revolutionary Wars broke out, he commanded the Armée du Nord for a time in 1792 but resigned after several reversals to the Austrians. He was arrested during the Reign of Terror in 1793–94 and narrowly escaped the guillotine. He was subsequently pensioned by Napoleon and died at Thoré-la-Rochette during the First Empire.
