Springboks V All Blacks
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@mrdenmore said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer I agree with you. Mounga could do with the experience. I'd even start him, with his Crusaders colleagues Crotty at second-five and Goodhue at centre.
Just add to those three
Perry, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, S. Barrett, Read....
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@act-crusader said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mrdenmore said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer I agree with you. Mounga could do with the experience. I'd even start him, with his Crusaders colleagues Crotty at second-five and Goodhue at centre.
Just add to those three
Perry, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, S. Barrett, Read....
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@pakman said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Has there been anything official about BBBR?
Whilst I hope he doesn't need surgery it is close to the go/no go point for next year's Super season. Better IMO to miss EOYT than get crocked and need surgery anyway, which will rule him out till May.what's awesome is we have been playing well without him. He's an incredible player, but the forwrad pack has hardly missed a beat without him there. Well, in the bits he does anyway
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@bones I think lack of game sense probably had more impact on that game.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@bones I think lack of game sense probably had more impact on that game.
No one would have dared to be senseless if Brodie was there.
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@bones said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@nzzp we lost to SA.
With a very distinct lack of cohesion, accuracy, effectiveness and mongrel.
I'm not so convinced it was as big a disaster as people say. We scored 6 tries, and should have scored a couple more. We threw them 14 points from muppet decisions, missed 6/8 kicks, and still only lost by two. All that said, we still had a chance to win in teh last minute where anything but a tip on the pass probably leads to a try.
Particularly, I don't think the forwards played particularly poorly. A few dropped balls, but would love to see the stats on drops per hundred carries - not sure it would be that different.
Put it another way, you play that game 20 times, I'd expect us to win 19 of them with that outfit playing the way they did that night. I do not think it was a disaster.
That said, we should still have had more composure and won the damn thing. That doesn't mean we played poorly though.
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@bones said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@nzzp all well and good, but to say we hardly miss him at all, while noting we should have been better? Hmmm...
I think we have been playing well without him. Karl, Owen and Scott are all taking on a distribution role. Don't get me wrong - he's an incredible player, and I think the best in teh world before he got injured, but I do think we are playing well without him. These two things are not incompatible
Edit: Close loss notwithstanding - I don't think the forwards played badly in that game
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@bones said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@nzzp ahh see I think there's a difference between playing well and not missing a beat.
I think if he plays we probably win that game. But as I said - I think we played pretty well in that game, and certainly did enough to win the game. Just poor game management, and some ropey brain farts, combined with a Bokke team that really stepped up.
Flip it around - if you're the Boks, is that your gameplan? Hope our kicker misses, score some great tries, and expect to burgle some intercepts? It's not a high percentage plan
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@nzzp said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@bones said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@nzzp all well and good, but to say we hardly miss him at all, while noting we should have been better? Hmmm...
I think we have been playing well without him. Karl, Owen and Scott are all taking on a distribution role. Don't get me wrong - he's an incredible player, and I think the best in teh world before he got injured, but I do think we are playing well without him. These two things are not incompatible
The 1014 analysis of that match focused on Owen Franks taking on the dedicated first receiver distribution role, they said the first time he has been in that role.
Those guys are incredibly 'polite' in their player assessment, they depicted that as Hansen experimenting and putting individual players under pressure in different roles. Let's just say it wasn't a success. The distribution was more laboured and hesitant than usual and further behind the line than the more natural ball handlers Retallick and S Barrett operate - and NZ with 70% possession were constantly tackled behind the advantage line.
My own expansion on the 1014 analysis:
Retallick whether in role of pod distributor, or pod runner who can bend the line, was missed big time. The All Blacks resembled the Blues playing the Highlanders. All possession, no punch, playing too much rugby in the wrong parts of the field off back foot ball. -
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
My own expansion on the 1014 analysis:
Retallick whether in role of pod distributor, or pod runner who can bend the line, was missed big time. The All Blacks resembled the Blues playing the Highlanders. All possession, no punch, playing too much rugby in the wrong parts of the field off back foot ball.... and scoring six tries. Playing poorly.
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@nzzp said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
My own expansion on the 1014 analysis:
Retallick whether in role of pod distributor, or pod runner who can bend the line, was missed big time. The All Blacks resembled the Blues playing the Highlanders. All possession, no punch, playing too much rugby in the wrong parts of the field off back foot ball.... and scoring six tries. Playing poorly.
and 2 of the 5 they let in could be written off as brain farts, or linked to frustration at having to play back-foot rugby leading players to try and make something out of nothing in the wrong part of the field ( a bit of an anacrhonism).
Don't get wrong. I'm reasonably comfortable with how most of the team played, and it's an easy fix. Even without Retallick there are still at least 2 good pod distributors they can use who aren't Franks (was Whitelock v Argentina), and S Barrett is almost as good a double threat as Brodie.
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@pakman I'm following you around and agreeing with you. But everyone in world rugby is terrified of the ABs having a good day against them.
Erasmus and Schmidt are, perhaps uniquely in world rugby, faced with the pressure of asking themselves realistically: how do we stop these bastards from having a good day.
