Pumas vs All Blacks
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I think Ardie showed he has some bloody decent power to weight given he'd be about 100kg dripping wet. Really good leg drive from @Canes4life favourite player.
If you could combine all his good qualities with those of Cane I think he'd be the best loose forward who ever lived.
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@kiwipie said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Is it just me that thought the ref had an OK game? I agreed with most of his decisions .....
It's the big calls that let him down:
- Argie infringing on their own line after the Rieko break was as clear cut a professional foul as you'll ever see. Penalty only was crazy.
- The Argie knocking down the pass to stop another try was the same, which he inexplicably ruled a knock on only.
- There was also the Argie try from a double movement, though I'd probably want to watch that again.
By contrast he had no issues going to the pocket for the ABs.
I think he was influenced by the crowd. Probably not consciously, but he was very reluctant to penalise obvious foul play from the Argies. I also wonder if the way people carry on up North, and the lack of support refs get from the governing body, is making refs reluctant to make big calls against teams playing the ABs.
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@no-quarter said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
I think he was influenced by the crowd. Probably not consciously, but he was very reluctant to penalise obvious foul play from the Argies.
TBF I think that is a factor with all refs.
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@taniwharugby said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
Ardie was awesome. Luke Whitelock is a very consistent player but I really don't think he has a performance like that in him - Ardie's ceiling is a lot higher (insert tall joke here). I've thought for a while 8 suits him better as the modern day 7 needs more physicality in the tight.
I think Frizzel was a bit of an unsung hero in the tight. He and Cane made a ton of tackles allowing Ardie to do what Ardie does best.
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@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@mn5 if you combine a good player with a really good player you might get a really really good player.
Sometimes I think you may have been the inspiration for Pepper Brooks.
Good on ya watching the rugga!
I hosted a fry up and got some other fluffybunny to cook while I drunk morning beer.
If that's not winning I don't know what is.
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@no-quarter I think your last sentence is the one there.
On the "double-movement" - I don't have a problem with that. However, watch it again and there is massive obstruction by (I think) blue 12, who basically shepherds Cubelli all the way to the try line, blocking Perenara.
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MN5 said:
@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@mn5 if you combine a good player with a really good player you might get a really really good player.
Sometimes I think you may have been the inspiration for Pepper Brooks.
Good on ya watching the rugga!
I hosted a fry up and got some other fluffybunny to cook while I drunk morning beer.
If that's not winning I don't know what is.
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With the 1-3-3-1 pod structure (or any pod structure) being after my playing time, I struggle to pick it out when watching a game.
What was the structure in this match?
Right always seems to be Taylor, but the left flank doesn't seem to be a set player every game. In fact not since the days of the regular Read on right flank and Coles on left flank (before Ritchie retired and Read became more central) have I worked out who our non-hooker shirker on the flank is.
But the main reason I ask is, Ardie carved up metres, Frizzell I doubt had a single run. In Nelson Frizzell was the runner in one of those pods of 3, was he also in that role in this match?
Although, actually, not that I noticed a single pod put any forward runner through a whole in the whole match.
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@no-quarter Ardie made 13 tackles, Frizzel 19 and Cane 9.
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@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@nevorian said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Does anyone know what the total no.of tests combined was for that forward pack once Sam Whitelock was subbed?
The AB pack that ended the game:
Tim Perry (3)
Nathan Harris (16)
Angus Ta'avao (debut)
Patrick Tuipulotu (17)
Scott Barrett (23)
Jackson Hemopo (1)
Sam Cane (58)
Ardie Savea (29)C
@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@nevorian said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Does anyone know what the total no.of tests combined was for that forward pack once Sam Whitelock was subbed?
The AB pack that ended the game:
Tim Perry (3)
Nathan Harris (16)
Angus Ta'avao (debut)
Patrick Tuipulotu (17)
Scott Barrett (23)
Jackson Hemopo (1)
Sam Cane (58)
Ardie Savea (29)Bloody hell how quickly has Scott B clocked up 23 caps?
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Pumas scrum was an embarrassment. It was a bit like watching the Pacific Islands teams scrums at RWCs in the 1990s getting bulldozed.
Even worse for them is that it was pretty much a second string and then third string AB pack that was doing the bulldozing.
Could argue our No. 1 pack is Moody, Coles, Franks, Retallick, Whitelock, Squire, Cane, Read.
Given that Ledesma is supposedly a scrummaging guru who fixed theWallabies, I'm not sure how they find themselves in this hole.
Big Karl is really the "find" of the year. Hansen had voiced concern about how thin we were at loosehead prop and now his cup seems to be running over, with Moody, Tu'inukuake, Hames and even Perry.
I guess we've still got to test some of these guys against England and Ireland, but it's looking pretty bright.
Main gaps that need filling are a third hooker, another wing and perhaps still a better back up at number 8.
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@toddy said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter Ardie made 13 tackles, Frizzel 19 and Cane 9.
Interesting. Stats often don't mean much but that does indicate they asked Frizzel to play a much tighter "Kaino" style game this time around.
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@stargazer while if/when Coles gets back to fitness he will be back in black and given chances, I think he has been out long enough that Taylor has established himself as #1, and he will need to earn back the #1 spot.
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@taniwharugby Yes, I think so, too. I'm surprised/disappointed he still hasn't played any game for Wellington in the Mitre 10 Cup.
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@chris-b said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Given that Ledesma is supposedly a scrummaging guru who fixed theWallabies, I'm not sure how they find themselves in this hole.
Ledesma has only been there 5 minutes. He came in after the June tests (replaced Hourcade).
Ledesma took over the Jaguares this year, then replaced Hourcade as Pumas coach.
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@rapido said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
With the 1-3-3-1 pod structure (or any pod structure) being after my playing time, I struggle to pick it out when watching a game.
What was the structure in this match?
Right always seems to be Taylor, but the left flank doesn't seem to be a set player every game. In fact not since the days of the regular Read on right flank and Coles on left flank (before Ritchie retired and Read became more central) have I worked out who our non-hooker shirker on the flank is.
But the main reason I ask is, Ardie carved up metres, Frizzell I doubt had a single run. In Nelson Frizzell was the runner in one of those pods of 3, was he also in that role in this match?
Although, actually, not that I noticed a single pod put any forward runner through a whole in the whole match.
Some good explanation of how things are being done now is here https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis-how-the-all-blacks-have-changed-since-the-2015-world-cup
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It may have been mentioned elsewhere but poor BB must be feeling neglected now that Tony Johnson has stopped fapping over him and has shifted his wristing to Mounga.
WTF is with this press campaign to try and elevate Mounga above BB anyway? It has been going way beyond the normal 'look at this guy pushing a claim' stuff to implying that the selectors are useless and blind to the talents in front of them. I can hardly open an article without reading some gushing statements
