Pumas vs All Blacks
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@samurai-jack said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
How strong have our propping stocks got? Big Karl is making every post a winner. Ofa is going from strength to strength. Laulala/Hames are to come back. You can't get better than Franks and Moody. Today, Ta'avao looked like he had been there for years. Perry has looked the goods every time he has come on. The scrum is becoming a huge weapon!
The only problem I have is pronouncing/spelling the names....It was easier when they were called Dowd, Brown and Loe.
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Have to say, fair dues Ardie, you had a cracker and I didn't know you had it in you. Although I'll just temper that a little by saying last year when unpopular loose forwards smashed up Argentina there were many of us saying it's only Argie (including me).
I had no problem with the Cubelli try, all he's done is change the position of his hand. However I've just noticed the massive obstruction on Perenara which seems to have been ignored? I highly doubt it's a try without the obstruction.
Missed seeing Goodhue. SBW played well, that offload was a beauty...but...Goodhue would have straightened that attack up early doors when it kept drifting and would have just popped a nice normal pass.
And wasn't Raynal the ref when we lost to Ireland? It is weird how these French ref's incompetency so often resembles bias...
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was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
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@taniwharugby easily his best. I'll stop black knighting him now.
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@kiwipie thought he started off OK, but then he goes on to look for any reason to ignore Argie offending, whilst looking for any reason to card NZ. How on earth there was no Argie carded is beyond me. He warned NZ after like one offence! Then Argies don't even get penalised for intentional knock ons and are allowed to infringe at the dreakdown on their own line, preventing a try. As I'm saying, when the incompetency is on display like that, it really looks like bias...
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I think Ardie showed he has some bloody decent power to weight given he'd be about 100kg dripping wet. Really good leg drive from @Canes4life favourite player.
If you could combine all his good qualities with those of Cane I think he'd be the best loose forward who ever lived.
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@kiwipie said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Is it just me that thought the ref had an OK game? I agreed with most of his decisions .....
It's the big calls that let him down:
- Argie infringing on their own line after the Rieko break was as clear cut a professional foul as you'll ever see. Penalty only was crazy.
- The Argie knocking down the pass to stop another try was the same, which he inexplicably ruled a knock on only.
- There was also the Argie try from a double movement, though I'd probably want to watch that again.
By contrast he had no issues going to the pocket for the ABs.
I think he was influenced by the crowd. Probably not consciously, but he was very reluctant to penalise obvious foul play from the Argies. I also wonder if the way people carry on up North, and the lack of support refs get from the governing body, is making refs reluctant to make big calls against teams playing the ABs.
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@no-quarter said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
I think he was influenced by the crowd. Probably not consciously, but he was very reluctant to penalise obvious foul play from the Argies.
TBF I think that is a factor with all refs.
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@taniwharugby said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
Ardie was awesome. Luke Whitelock is a very consistent player but I really don't think he has a performance like that in him - Ardie's ceiling is a lot higher (insert tall joke here). I've thought for a while 8 suits him better as the modern day 7 needs more physicality in the tight.
I think Frizzel was a bit of an unsung hero in the tight. He and Cane made a ton of tackles allowing Ardie to do what Ardie does best.
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@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@mn5 if you combine a good player with a really good player you might get a really really good player.
Sometimes I think you may have been the inspiration for Pepper Brooks.
Good on ya watching the rugga!
I hosted a fry up and got some other fluffybunny to cook while I drunk morning beer.
If that's not winning I don't know what is.
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@no-quarter I think your last sentence is the one there.
On the "double-movement" - I don't have a problem with that. However, watch it again and there is massive obstruction by (I think) blue 12, who basically shepherds Cubelli all the way to the try line, blocking Perenara.
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MN5 said:
@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@mn5 if you combine a good player with a really good player you might get a really really good player.
Sometimes I think you may have been the inspiration for Pepper Brooks.
Good on ya watching the rugga!
I hosted a fry up and got some other fluffybunny to cook while I drunk morning beer.
If that's not winning I don't know what is.
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With the 1-3-3-1 pod structure (or any pod structure) being after my playing time, I struggle to pick it out when watching a game.
What was the structure in this match?
Right always seems to be Taylor, but the left flank doesn't seem to be a set player every game. In fact not since the days of the regular Read on right flank and Coles on left flank (before Ritchie retired and Read became more central) have I worked out who our non-hooker shirker on the flank is.
But the main reason I ask is, Ardie carved up metres, Frizzell I doubt had a single run. In Nelson Frizzell was the runner in one of those pods of 3, was he also in that role in this match?
Although, actually, not that I noticed a single pod put any forward runner through a whole in the whole match.
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@no-quarter Ardie made 13 tackles, Frizzel 19 and Cane 9.
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@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@nevorian said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Does anyone know what the total no.of tests combined was for that forward pack once Sam Whitelock was subbed?
The AB pack that ended the game:
Tim Perry (3)
Nathan Harris (16)
Angus Ta'avao (debut)
Patrick Tuipulotu (17)
Scott Barrett (23)
Jackson Hemopo (1)
Sam Cane (58)
Ardie Savea (29)C
@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@nevorian said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Does anyone know what the total no.of tests combined was for that forward pack once Sam Whitelock was subbed?
The AB pack that ended the game:
Tim Perry (3)
Nathan Harris (16)
Angus Ta'avao (debut)
Patrick Tuipulotu (17)
Scott Barrett (23)
Jackson Hemopo (1)
Sam Cane (58)
Ardie Savea (29)Bloody hell how quickly has Scott B clocked up 23 caps?
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Pumas scrum was an embarrassment. It was a bit like watching the Pacific Islands teams scrums at RWCs in the 1990s getting bulldozed.
Even worse for them is that it was pretty much a second string and then third string AB pack that was doing the bulldozing.
Could argue our No. 1 pack is Moody, Coles, Franks, Retallick, Whitelock, Squire, Cane, Read.
Given that Ledesma is supposedly a scrummaging guru who fixed theWallabies, I'm not sure how they find themselves in this hole.
Big Karl is really the "find" of the year. Hansen had voiced concern about how thin we were at loosehead prop and now his cup seems to be running over, with Moody, Tu'inukuake, Hames and even Perry.
I guess we've still got to test some of these guys against England and Ireland, but it's looking pretty bright.
Main gaps that need filling are a third hooker, another wing and perhaps still a better back up at number 8.
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@toddy said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter Ardie made 13 tackles, Frizzel 19 and Cane 9.
Interesting. Stats often don't mean much but that does indicate they asked Frizzel to play a much tighter "Kaino" style game this time around.
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