All Blacks v Springboks
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@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@sammyc Maybe Westpac stadium is his bogey kicking ground then?
to his credit on Saturday he did kick a pearler from the sideline which many other kickers would have struggled with
No, he often kicks sideline pearlers at Westpac. Keeping them low in the wind, sometimes even fading right instead of hooking left.
He just isn't consistent. He can kick the difficult ones but miss the easier ones. This observation is mostly based on just a dataset of conversions.
It's harder to get an idea how he is with his penalties beyond the 22m as the Canes just don't take them.
The issue, for me, with an inconsistent kicker is; does it effect the tactical decisions by the captain on whether to go for the posts or plug the corners. Both the Canes and the All Blacks are fairly one dimensional and always turn down the 3. So, i don't think it is a tactical quandry for the captain. But, i'm not that comfortable with this approach. But maybe the game has moved ahead of my 1980/90s test match upbringing.
As for Berauden's techique. I do wonder if his Caketin approach means he doesn't have a consistent swing. Does he alter his desired trajectory (and even fade) often for the wind. This has been mentioned before as a theory on this site by someone else.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
This game has given them self belief, but you could argue we are still a much better team, so will they be able to replicate thier accuracy and intensity on defence, while also expecting us to crumble under the pressure again, and BB have another off night with the boot.
Loftus means penalties from 60 m are on the cards. You know SA will take them so we have to expect more long range attempts at goal.
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@bovidae Assuming JB plays, he takes long ones anyway doesnt he?
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@taniwharugby For the Canes, but a different mindset in SR. It shouldn't matter at altitude, your regular kicker should have the distance.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
This game has given them self belief, but you could argue we are still a much better team, so will they be able to replicate thier accuracy and intensity on defence, while also expecting us to crumble under the pressure again, and BB have another off night with the boot.
Loftus means penalties from 60 m are on the cards. You know SA will take them so we have to expect more long range attempts at goal.
True. I'm looking forward to this game even more. Should ask some really tough questions of our tactical approach.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
why not?
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@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
why not?
I thought it was done over a few games?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
It's based on the difference between the two teams and the added difficulty of playing away. Helps that Australia dropped.
@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
This game has given them self belief, but you could argue we are still a much better team, so will they be able to replicate thier accuracy and intensity on defence, while also expecting us to crumble under the pressure again, and BB have another off night with the boot.
Loftus means penalties from 60 m are on the cards. You know SA will take them so we have to expect more long range attempts at goal.
True. I'm looking forward to this game even more. Should ask some really tough questions of our tactical approach.
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
why not?
I thought it was done over a few games?
Looks like it was a combination of the Boks win over a team above them - they go up, and Oz's loss to a team below them - they go down.
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antipodeanreplied to mariner4life on 17 Sept 2018, 00:04 last edited by antipodean 17 Sept 2018, 00:04
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
His composure seems fine when kicking. Keep your toys in your cot until it goes wrong, then you can start throwing them.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
His composure seems fine when kicking. Keep your toys in your cot until it goes wrong, then you can start throwing them.
oh they are at the ready...
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
No it doesn't mean you jump two places it means you get two points.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
No it doesn't mean you jump two places it means you get two points.
Righto. Another win for Argie could see them usurp France which would be amusing.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Righto. Another win for Argie could see them usurp France which would be amusing.
if Argie managed ot beat us in a fortnight, and SA beat Aus, Argies would jump above Aus too
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Can confirm.
I read it on the Oracle of all good things news, Stuff.co.nz
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
WOW!!! I know they are trucking along poorly but 15 from 36!
Imagine if that was the AB's record over the same period. There would be a coup!!!
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
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Aust lost to Tonga in the 1970s.
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
To be fair, I would actually rather look forward to a test v Aussie where I was a bit nervous about the result
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Aust lost to Tonga in the 1970s.
They’ve lost to Tonga, Fiji (three times I think ?) and Samoa . The Cook Islands and Niue must be fizzing for a chance to play them .
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
This would be their lowest since the official rankings then. Scotland got to 5th last year which was their highest ranking but woulda been higher in 91 when they finished 4th in the WC.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
This would be their lowest since the official rankings then. Scotland got to 5th last year which was their highest ranking but woulda been higher in 91 when they finished 4th in the WC.
Whereabouts are you getting rankings prior to 2003 from?
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.It's the reason we've played a Bledisloe fixture every year for almost forty years, to raise their standard and interest. I reckon it's got to the point that's no longer helpful.
Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
The problem is the pole smokers (Possum Head etc.) have largely moved on as great as it is to see them (ARU) get their comeuppance. The worry is what does this mean for the continuation of our revenue; Super and the Championship?
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
Is that correct? I don't recall him being super composed in that match (but he played well) and wouldn't his more recent play in 2018 have got him the jumper (he's played in 4 tests in 2018)?
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
This would be their lowest since the official rankings then. Scotland got to 5th last year which was their highest ranking but woulda been higher in 91 when they finished 4th in the WC.
Whereabouts are you getting rankings prior to 2003 from?
My arse
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.It's the reason we've played a Bledisloe fixture every year for almost forty years, to raise their standard and interest. I reckon it's got to the point that's no longer helpful.
Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
The problem is the pole smokers (Possum Head etc.) have largely moved on as great as it is to see them (ARU) get their comeuppance. The worry is what does this mean for the continuation of our revenue; Super and the Championship?
Maybe this is pretty much their level and they should accept the early 2000s were an aberration and work from there? For most of their history about from blips in the early 90s and 2000s they’ve been decidedly average and competing with the afl and nrl hasn’t helped.
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
Stephen Larkham I reckon
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
Is that correct? I don't recall him being super composed in that match (but he played well) and wouldn't his more recent play in 2018 have got him the jumper (he's played in 4 tests in 2018)?
Well it's pretty subjective but my recollection was that he was amazingly composed given his age and the pressure cooker environment of the deciding test. Looked made for test footy. I do wonder if his continued selection led to a bit of over-confidence, hence throwing that ball, so hoping that brings him down to earth.
Worth remembering he scored a pretty awesome try, beautiful line while taking the ball behind him without losing any pace. Some costly brain farts but it wasn't the worst performance ever.
ALB has come away pretty unscathed given he cost us 14 points himself while creating 0 so I'll chuck his name out there again...
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@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
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I made an earlier comment about Jordie's defence on both of Dyantyi's tries. He did exactly what NMS was criticised for vs Arg and drifted in instead of staying wide on his man.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
It helps if the bloke you're passing to moves towards the ball.
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