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Welsh scrum struggling. Another England penalty. 11-7.
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Half time. Wales 7 England 11.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Welsh scrum struggling. Another England penalty. 11-7.
Shocked that we're in this.
Thought England would blow us away within 20 mins.
England look dangerous with ball in hand but much improved defence from Wales.
Welsh scrum has struggled but Poite got that last one wrong. England slip and drop every time.
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Still 11-7. Both teams set up to defend.
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Mako Vunipola scores for England. 18-7. Can't see Wales coming back.
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Biggar with a penalty for Wales. 10-18.
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Finally a ref who penalises Maro Itoje for sticking his mits in the ruck. Wales penalty. 13-18.
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Watson nearly in for England. Good defensive work by Rees-Zammit to force the turnover.
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England penalty 21-13. England heading to the Nations Cup final.
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England with another penalty 24-13. England forwards much too good for Wales.
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Eddie Jones must think he has died and gone to heaven being the Coach of this England pack. Not a weak link anywhere in that 8 at all.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
England with another penalty 24-13. England forwards much too good for Wales.
Can't expect to win matches with an average scrum and two hookers who can't throw the ball in straight / find their man.
Itjoe should have gone for 10 for the deliberate knockdown in front of the sticks.
Still it's not the 30+ point drubbing I expected.
So happy days
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Another dominant scrum from England. Their pack has ground a brave Wales into the turf this afternoon. Best International team in the world in 2020.
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Youngs my MOTM
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Youngs my MOTM
The tempo and communication between Young and Ford are outstanding. They direct everyone around them. The NZ 10s should be studying how George Ford plays and taking notes.
Sam Underhill MOTM. Good choice IMHO.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Youngs my MOTM
The tempo and communication between Young and Ford are outstanding. They direct everyone around them. The NZ 10s should be studying how George Ford plays and taking notes.
Sam Underhill MOTM. Good choice IMHO.
Fair enough.
Early Christmas present for Wales.
Should have been smashed.
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All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
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@akan004 said in NH International Rugby:
If the NZR are serious about winning the next RWC, I suggest they empty their bank account and hire Mitchell. Watching the English defend compared to how we defend is pretty depressing, we look like a bunch of amateurs under McLeod.
Never ever. He can take his journey and stuff it.
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Seen Pivac is bleating in the press.
Bad form.
Submit your report, await the findings, then air you grievances in public.
What should be more worrying is we were unable to run a practiced move off first phase ball all match.
That is all coaching , not refereeing
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@Billy-Tell said in NH International Rugby:
@akan004 said in NH International Rugby:
If the NZR are serious about winning the next RWC, I suggest they empty their bank account and hire Mitchell. Watching the English defend compared to how we defend is pretty depressing, we look like a bunch of amateurs under McLeod.
Never ever. He can take his journey and stuff it.
Watch England defend. You will change your mind.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
New Welsh 7, James Botham, is Lord Botham's grandson.
I can't get over "Lord Botham". Sounds (and probably looks now) like a character from Blackadder.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
** Seen Pivac is bleating in the press.**
Bad form.
Submit your report, await the findings, then air you grievances in public.
What should be more worrying is we were unable to run a practiced move off first phase ball all match.
That is all coaching , not refereeing
He's certainly going off on one regarding the Biggar being taken out in the air thing Mike, what was your take on it? There was definitely contact before he landed but to me it looked as though he had unintentionally jumped into the England player. A penalty would have been harsh IMO. Overall I feel Poite had a pretty good game.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
** Seen Pivac is bleating in the press.**
Bad form.
Submit your report, await the findings, then air you grievances in public.
What should be more worrying is we were unable to run a practiced move off first phase ball all match.
That is all coaching , not refereeing
He's certainly going off on one regarding the Biggar being taken out in the air thing Mike, what was your take on it? There was definitely contact before he landed but to me it looked as though he had unintentionally jumped into the England player. A penalty would have been harsh IMO. Overall I feel Poite had a pretty good game.
Trying to see a slow-mo of it.
Poite was all over the place with scrums otherwise a good match.
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France trounce Italy with great try from Italy and impressive power, pace and guile from France.
England v France should be a cracker.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Catogrande on 29 Nov 2020, 11:50 last edited by Victor Meldrew 29 Nov 2020, 11:51
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
** Seen Pivac is bleating in the press.**
Bad form.
Submit your report, await the findings, then air you grievances in public.
What should be more worrying is we were unable to run a practiced move off first phase ball all match.
That is all coaching , not refereeing
He's certainly going off on one regarding the Biggar being taken out in the air thing Mike, what was your take on it? There was definitely contact before he landed but to me it looked as though he had unintentionally jumped into the England player. A penalty would have been harsh IMO. Overall I feel Poite had a pretty good game.
Agreed. Poite is pretty OK generally but I find him a bit inconsistent - can be brilliant one game and utter crap in others.
My reading was that Pivac was concerned that Poite refused to speak with AWJ about the incident, which if true is a very fair complaint. But as Mike sez, absolutely wrong to complain about it in public.
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Would like to see this from a different angle
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@nostrildamus said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
New Welsh 7, James Botham, is Lord Botham's grandson.
I can't get over "Lord Botham". Sounds (and probably looks now) like a character from Blackadder.
His only parliamentary contribution so far has been to ask for cash for grassroots Cricket. Hope he continues to use his role in the House of Lords to remind law-makers what a huge role sport plays in the lives of so many UK residents.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
** Seen Pivac is bleating in the press.**
Bad form.
Submit your report, await the findings, then air you grievances in public.
What should be more worrying is we were unable to run a practiced move off first phase ball all match.
That is all coaching , not refereeing
He's certainly going off on one regarding the Biggar being taken out in the air thing Mike, what was your take on it? There was definitely contact before he landed but to me it looked as though he had unintentionally jumped into the England player. A penalty would have been harsh IMO. Overall I feel Poite had a pretty good game.
Trying to see a slow-mo of it.
Poite was all over the place with scrums otherwise a good match.
Mako drops scrum but Lee still standing -- and Wales penalised. He didn't know what was going on.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Would like to see this from a different angle
On forst look I could see anything but if you pause that and go frame by frame it is definitely a case of 'please explain'.
Genge doesn't appear to be off balance or falling, no one looks to be pushing him from behind but he certainly moves forward and makes head to head contact while they are on their knees. -
Geez, it will seriously devalue the tournament if one of the finalists can't even field a 1st XV. Bloody clubs!
Legal threat: France set to field 2nd XV for England Autumn Nations Cup Final
Following a threat of legal action by France's Top 14 clubs, unhappy at the lack of consultation over the revised calendar created in response to the coronavirus pandemic and fearful of the risk of injuries to key men, it was agreed that their France stars could make only three appearances during the six Tests that now constitute Les Bleus' end-of-year schedule. France started the international window with a warm-up win over Wales, a week before the Covid-interrupted Six Nations resumed. Of the matchday 23 that day, only fly-half Matthieu Jalibert, an unused replacement, survives among the 31-man squad for the December 6 game at Twickenham.
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So funny
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Great to see that Fiji still gets to play a test after all their COVID problems.
Flying Fijians to play Georgia (Sun 6 Dec 2020 - 1.00am NZT - Sky Sport 1)
1 Peni Ravai
2 Samuel Matavesi
3 Mesake Doge
4 Tevita Ratuva
5 Temo Mayanavanu
6 Johnny Dyer
7 Mesulame Kunavula
8 Albert Tuisue
9 Frank Lomani
10 Ben Volavola
11 Nemani Nadolo
12 Levani Botia
13 Semi Radradra
14 Josua Tuisova
15 Kini MurimurivaluReserves
16 Tevita Ikanivere
17 Haereiti Hetet
18 Samuela Tawake
19 Chris Minimbi
20 Manueli Ratuniyarawa
21 Simione Kuruvoli
22 Seru Vularika
23 Waisea Nayacalevu -
I wonder if any of them have any lung capacity!
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@Machpants Yep, normally they should beat Georgia easily, but now, I'm not so sure.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
You forgot the most important part.
The most uninspiring test match of the last few years. And there have been some shockers.
Dull, dull dull.
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@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
You forgot the most important part.
The most uninspiring test match of the last few years. And there have been some shockers.
Dull, dull dull.
Yes, apart from England's defence and some flashes from France this competition has been the very definition of dull. I've really not been enthused about anything. I will watch the final but probably won't bother with any of the other matches.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
You forgot the most important part.
The most uninspiring test match of the last few years. And there have been some shockers.
Dull, dull dull.
Yes, apart from England's defence and some flashes from France this competition has been the very definition of dull. I've really not been enthused about anything. I will watch the final but probably won't bother with any of the other matches.
Do you think that without the large crowds, the singing, the atmosphere that a lot of what makes the 6N - tension, drama, struggle, tribalism - is completely lost?
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
You forgot the most important part.
The most uninspiring test match of the last few years. And there have been some shockers.
Dull, dull dull.
Yes, apart from England's defence and some flashes from France this competition has been the very definition of dull. I've really not been enthused about anything. I will watch the final but probably won't bother with any of the other matches.
Do you think that without the large crowds, the singing, the atmosphere that a lot of what makes the 6N - tension, drama, struggle, tribalism - is completely lost?
It certainly doesn't help but in all truth, most of the rugby has been pretty turgid. England put 6 tries on Georgia for instance and I'm struggling to remember any of them. Some of the French play was pretty good and May's long range try v Ireland was also good. Apart from that, England's defence has been bloody impressive but not much of a spectacle. A bit more atmosphere would have made for a bit more tension but I'm not sure it would have improved the product overly.
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
All over. Wales were brave. England were powerful and street smart. Wales 13 England 24.
You forgot the most important part.
The most uninspiring test match of the last few years. And there have been some shockers.
Dull, dull dull.
Yes, apart from England's defence and some flashes from France this competition has been the very definition of dull. I've really not been enthused about anything. I will watch the final but probably won't bother with any of the other matches.
Do you think that without the large crowds, the singing, the atmosphere that a lot of what makes the 6N - tension, drama, struggle, tribalism - is completely lost?
To echo what @Catogrande said, the press have picked up on how dull it has been as well. Not just Internations but also some of the club games.
Some reasonable articles on how to make the games more exciting and loads of praise for Nigel Owens reversing possession when teams use "caterpillar" rucks to slow things down.
Example from James Corrigan in the Daily Telegraph. The last para is telling.
"To think, some punters might have paid £100 a ticket to watch one of these Autumns Nations Cup matches. Jonny May’s heroics on Saturday were worthy of an entrance fee, but the rest of it? Mega dull.
It comes to something when Wales’s excruciating victory over Georgia was not the low point of the weekend. That came at Murrayfield on Sunday, when France beat Scotland in a kicking battle that booted any idea of a spectacle deep into touch.
Apart from the rolling maul, is there anything more tedious than a box kick? Ping pong unmerrily along.
And when teams used to encroach into their opposition’s half was not the intent to attack rather than merely to pen in their rivals and force the penalty? The defence coaches have a crushing grip on proceedings and, criminally, they are being assisted by the laws.
That is why we should cherish the May moments, because the way the modern robotic game is heading, individualism will soon be lost, sacrificed according to that great textbook of conformity. Face it, the overwhelming majority of England v Ireland was turgid. The home back row did not allow the visitors to play, while the home side, itself, had no intent to play. The Red Rose marches on triumphant; the entertainers are all but redundant. May’s miracle was not in the gameplan. They would have won anyway.
Granted, the rugby Championship has enjoyed some exciting passages, with that wonderful underdog tale of Argentina overcoming the mighty All Blacks the other week. But if you were unlucky enough to watch Saturday’s draw between the Pumas and the Wallabies, you will testify that the fall to earth was as defunctive as it was rapid. Blame the weather, they told us. Except that does not always wash.
Remember when an international match used to be a treat on the calendar. Now there are so many, you approach them saying: “Jeez, not another one.” The fanless atmosphere is exactly what these borefests currently deserve.
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@Victor-Meldrew In an extremely rare moment for the British rugby press, Corrigan is absolutely spot on with everything he's written there.
I think the players are too big/strong.
All Blacks channel had the last 10 minutes of the 2010 Boks match in Jo'Burg where the AB's scored two tries to take the game. The rugby was simply much much better to watch.
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