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@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:
England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.
You can still smash them both though please
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:
England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.
You can still smash them both though please
Typical Welshman, always trying to get someone else to do the work.
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@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:
England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.
You can still smash them both though please
Typical Welshman, always trying to get someone else to do the work.
To be fair, we kiwis have been roping in other coaches all over the world just to lose to us.
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Fromm Rugby 365:
Former Hurricanes star in Scotland squad to face Boks
SQUAD ANNOUNCEMENT: Head coach Gregor Townsend named three uncapped players in a 40-man Scotland squad for the 2018 November Tests.The uncapped trio are Scarlets back-row Blade Thomson Exeter Chiefs lock Sam Skinner and Glasgow Warriors centre Sam Johnson.
Thomson and Skinner are eligible for the national team through family connections, Thomson through his paternal grandfather, Robert, from Wishaw, while Skinner’s father, Peter, is from Ayr.
Skinner (23) was first involved in the then Scottish Exiles (now Scottish Qualified) programme as a teenager, while at Taunton Titans, before he joined the Chiefs in the 2014/15 season.
He was then selected for England Under-20 – and faced many of his Scotland contemporaries in the age-grade Six Nations – before becoming an increasingly prominent part of the Exeter squad that won the English Premiership title for the first time in 2017 and finished as runners-up in last year’s final.
Thomson (27) arrived in west Wales from Super Rugby side Hurricanes, having represented New Zealand U20 and the Maori All Blacks, and has been a stand-out performer for the Llanelli side in his debut Pro14 season.
Johnson (25) is eligible for Scotland on residency grounds, having joined Glasgow Warriors in 2015.
The Australian-born centre has been a popular figure at the Scotstoun club, making 40 appearances since his arrival and voted last year’s Players’ Player of the Season by his peers.
The squad also welcomes the return of several seasoned campaigners who missed the June tour either through injury or a scheduled rest, which sees the likes of Alex Dunbar, Jonny Gray, Huw Jones, Greig Laidlaw, Sean Maitland, Willem Nel, Gordon Reid, Finn Russell, Tommy Seymour, Ryan Wilson and Hamish Watson all back in the squad.
The selection also marks the return of centre Matt Scott and scrumhalf Henry Pyrgos, who last featured in a Scotland shirt in the side’s 2017 wins over Australia in Sydney in June and Edinburgh last November, respectively.
Scotland will face Wales in Cardiff on Saturday, November 3 and contest the ‘Doddie Weir Cup’, as both teams honour the former Scotland and British & Irish Lions player diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease.
Scotland will then return home to Murrayfield for three home Tests against Fiji, South Africa and Argentina on the consecutive Saturdays that follow (10, 17 and 24 November).
Scotland squad:Forwards: Alex Allan, Simon Berghan, Magnus Bradbury, Fraser Brown, Allan Dell, David Denton, Matt Fagerson, Ross Ford, Grant Gilchrist, Jonny Gray, Rob Harley, Murray McCallum, Stuart McInally, Willem Nel, Gordon Reid, Jamie Ritchie, Sam Skinner, Blade Thomson, Ben Toolis, George Turner, Hamish Watson, Ryan Wilson.
Backs: Alex Dunbar, Dougie Fife, Chris Harris, Adam Hastings, George Horne, Pete Horne, Sam Johnson, Huw Jones, Lee Jones, Blair Kinghorn, Greig Laidlaw, Sean Maitland, Byron McGuigan, Ali Price, Henry Pyrgos, Finn Russell, Matt Scott, Tommy Seymour.
Not considered through injury: John Barclay, Mark Bennett, Lewis Carmichael (all Edinburgh), Cornell du Preez (Worcester Warriors), Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Toulouse), Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens).
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@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:
England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.
You can still smash them both though please
Typical Welshman, always trying to get someone else to do the work.
Well we won't have the chance to be fair
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@daffy-jaffy said in NH International Rugby:
New Zealand U20 and the Maori All Blacks
How is Thomson eligible if he's already represented New Zealand U20 and the Maori All Blacks?
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@daffy-jaffy said in NH International Rugby:
New Zealand U20 and the Maori All Blacks
How is Thomson eligible if he's already represented New Zealand U20 and the Maori All Blacks?
Neither of those are the designated 'second side' under WR rules. I think the Junior ABs still are (along with Sevens)
edit: yep, JABs
Now, considering we are accused of poaching a lot, it is an interesting counter that we don't use the next senior XV team as a means of locking players in. Quite the opposite in that we have registered a team that never plays
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:
England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.
You can still smash them both though please
Typical Welshman, always trying to get someone else to do the work.
Well we won't have the chance to be fair
I wish I shared your certainty.
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@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
Neither of those are the designated 'second side' under WR rules. I think the Junior ABs still are (along with Sevens)
edit: yep, JABs
When was the last time the JABs even played?
Does touch on a bit of (very mild) hypocrisy from the NZRU brass when they give it to SA for picking with quotas when we ditched the JABs for a more restrictive selection...
Really dumb actually.
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@rotated said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
Neither of those are the designated 'second side' under WR rules. I think the Junior ABs still are (along with Sevens)
edit: yep, JABs
When was the last time the JABs even played?
Does touch on a bit of (very mild) hypocrisy from the NZRU brass when they give it to SA for picking with quotas when we ditched the JABs for a more restrictive selection...
Really dumb actually.
Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?
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@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?
Uh, Hansen just about every year we play SA.
2015
2016
Comments in 2017 for a book that came out this year.Henry and Mains have both been outspoken too, but only once outside the tent. Hansen has said it often enough, explicitly enough to where the NZRU either agree, or don't care to reign him in.
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England name squad for Quilter Internationals
England men’s head coach Eddie Jones has named a 36-man squad to fly to Portugal next week for a training camp to prepare for the first match of the Quilter Internationals against South Africa.
Jones has confirmed that Owen Farrell (Saracens) and Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints) will be co-captains for the four-Test series.
There are eight uncapped players named in the squad including Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby), Nathan Earle (Harlequins), Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors), Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby), Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs), Michael Rhodes (Saracens), Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors) and Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby).
Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby) is included for the first time since 2015. The 29-year-old number eight has played 31 Tests for his country with his final appearance coming against Australia during the last Rugby World Cup.
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby) is selected in the squad for the first time this season while Hill has been named as an apprentice.
“I’m really happy with the squad," said Jones.
"We can only control what we can control and injuries have happened. It gives an opportunity for some good new players to play some important Tests for England while players who have been in the squad before, will have to take on more responsibility."
Jones added: “I have named Dylan and Owen as co-captains for the series. They have both been excellent captains for England in the past and will provide a powerful leadership base for us on and off the field."A 23-man squad will be confirmed on Tuesday 30 October ahead of the Test against the Springboks on 3 November. England will fly back to London from Portugal following the Test squad announcement on Thursday 1 November.
England men’s squadForwards (20)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints) co-captain, Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs), Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors) *, Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby), Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby), Michael Rhodes (Saracens), Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors), Brad Shields (Wasps), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
Backs (16)
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Nathan Earle (Harlequins), Owen Farrell (Saracens) co-captain, George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).
*ApprenticeUnavailable for selection
Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Dan Robson (Wasps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby). -
@rotated said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?
Uh, Hansen just about every year we play SA.
2015
2016
Comments in 2017 for a book that came out this year.Henry and Mains have both been outspoken too, but only once outside the tent. Hansen has said it often enough, explicitly enough to where the NZRU either agree, or don't care to reign him in.
Hmmmm.
I don't agree with your interpretation of Hansen's comments as 'giving it to' SA for their policies. I see them as describing how tough it is for the Boks/Bok coaches (mainly from his insights chatting with his mate Meyer)
I see the comments in the book as describing how under the policies they don't necessarily select the best team they could.
Maybe we are just tripping over the language in the post.
The bit in your comment that I don't understand is why it hypocritical.
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I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
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@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.
I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanza -
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.
I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanzaSurely it's his job to recognise and pick the players who can evolve and adapt to his coaching style and aims.
They're there.
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial said in NH International Rugby:
I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.
I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanzaSurely it's his job to recognise and pick the players who can evolve and adapt to his coaching style and aims.
They're there.
TBF I think he has tried. Whether the recent loss rate has made him give up that approach or whether the players aren't up to it is the question.
I do think England (and Eddie) have been rather conservative with selections though and could have given the squads a huge shakeup in search of the game they could aspire to.
I think his point was that it makes it difficult to have the players playing a different style to the one their year round comp expects from them.
