All Blacks v France Test #2
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
DMac did OK at 10 once he settled in and at least tried to grab the initiative - unlike some others you could mention. Not a starter at 10 (or 9...) though.
You obviously saw something I didn’t in DMac. We had no shape with him at 1st Five. He has all the skills but can’t run a game. He plays a high risk game at the best of times, but when he’s playing there he seems to make everybody else play one as well. They didn’t have to take risks tonight, they needed patience to make the extra man tell, and they showed none.
BTW, Those possession and territory stats are appalling. Win or not, this wasn’t a tackle practice session.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Luke was invisible, and not in a Reuben way.
Ardie is a poor man's Pocock. Swanning about waiting for turnovers.
Fifita looks like he'd squat about 60kg.
Was Liam on the field?@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
The difference between scoring 26 and scoring 50 was just a bit of patience. It seemed like our idea when they lost a man was to play the game as quickly as possible. We did lots of quick taps, most of which came to nothing.
Or they sprinted away from any support resulting in the completely foreseeable turnover.
Yep. Why tf tap and run deep inside your own half when a man up?
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@jc said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
You obviously saw something I didn’t in DMac. We had no shape with him at 1st Five. He has all the skills but can’t run a game.
Take your point, but we lacked shape from 1-15 (esp. 1-9). Hard to see how that can be blamed on DMac's play.
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@mrdenmore said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
As usual, Gregor Paul gets it right here.
How the hell was it a ludicrous decision? The only thing ludicrous is that headline.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
For 40 years there was just Cyril Brownlie. Then Pinetree joined the AB red card club.
Nowadays they're having to build new clubrooms to fit in all the members.
I don't think rugby can continue to punish everyone watching with 15 onto 14 games. I think a red card for most offences needs - as someone suggested earlier in the thread - to be the player committing the offence sent from the field permanently, but able to be replaced after a period of time.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Marhsall proves once again he doesn't even have a basic knowledge of the laws. How the fuck was he an AB?!
Nah, this is a load of bollocks
You're talking shit man
He was a fucking fine All Black no need to conflate his AB career just because of your precious opinion about mainstream media commentary.
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@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes Barrett
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@gunner said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Don't worry guys, Shannon Frizell is available for next week.
Luke Whitelock
Ardie Savea
Fiftia
Liam SquireAll awful.
What are you talking about? None of them were playing tonight were they?
At this rate I'd be happy if they shifted Sam to 6 and brought Todd in. At least you know you're going to see some guts expressed on the paddock.
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@siam said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Marhsall proves once again he doesn't even have a basic knowledge of the laws. How the fuck was he an AB?!
Nah, this is a load of bollocks
You're talking shit man
He was a fucking fine All Black no need to conflate his AB career just because of your precious opinion about mainstream media commentary.
He was a fine AB that appears to lack a basic knowledge of the laws. But, he was a halfback, so that probably explains a lot.
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I'm sick of this shit.
If it's all about safety then ban jumping for the ball altogether.
If you want to have jumping then don't have different penalties based on where someone lands. It's fucking stupid to have a different result solely due to where someone lands. Just decide if it's yellow or red and make it the same sanction all the time.
Anyway, ABs played shitter against 14 than they probably would have against 15.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
When did we start giving away possession with so much kicking early on in the game? We used play rugby with ball in hand, looking for space. The cross kick as our first attacking play?
I actually think that is one of the 'new playbook' things to counter the rush defence. They haven't got it perfect yet in execution or picking the right time but the idea is right. If you can catch the opposition in possession behind the defensive line with every scrambling back the defensive players will start doubting their defensive plan and have one eye on that possibility. It is then a case of recognising when someone has done this and got out of line with the rush to exploit it.
It's nothing new except they are trying to do it at unexpected times to create that doubt.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Marhsall proves once again he doesn't even have a basic knowledge of the laws. How the fuck was he an AB?!
TBF, If he'd put on one of his many AB jerseys and played today he'd probably still be more effective than most of the AB team today.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
I'm sick of this shit.
If it's all about safety then ban jumping for the ball altogether.
If you want to have jumping then don't have different penalties based on where someone lands. It's fucking stupid to have a different result solely due to where someone lands. Just decide if it's yellow or red and make it the same sanction all the time.
Anyway, ABs played shitter against 14 than they probably would have against 15.
Really think the answer is in the card system. For 'accidental' offences such as today and with Ofa we need something like an orange card where the offending player is sent off for the duration but can be replaced. edit: after 10 minutes
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
Yes. We know foul play when we see it.
Richard Loe gouging eyes or crushing someone nose, deliberate filth. Send him off.
Someone falling on their head in a contested kick, or fracturing their scull in 2 places while ducking into a double tackle? I, as a rugby 'consumer' don't fucking care. They're grown men voluntarily playing a contact sport . I can accept unwanted outcomes from genuine, or even passably genuine actions.
Find a way to make this sport work.
No matter how many Will Smith movies, BOD almost dieing, and Alistair Campbell's screechng journos who were putty in his hands .
Find a way, because this sport is getting shit.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial yes looked like a plan but either poor plan or poor execution.
I think the plan is good especially the shallow wipers kick to the wing. You can pressure an error or catch him in possession well away from the pack using the sideline as your friend. As long as the opposition feels they had to work hard to get back they will start holding back on the rush.
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Worst All Blacks performance in years. Worst captain’s performance too - a nothing.
Whitelock (Samuel) was knackered by last try.
