Chiefs v Highlanders
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By silly stuff I assume you mean creating mayhem on attack...?
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@billy-tell said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
By silly stuff I assume you mean creating mayhem on attack...?
He created mayhem both for and against his team! He needs to not try and create with every single touch, especially if he plays for the ABs. He'll calm down a bit and improve with time in the saddle - deff the beaudy super sub role is his. Mo'unga starts if beaudy is out tho
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@billy-tell said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
McKenzie was excellent bar a couple of charge downs. Should have the AB 10/15 super sub role nailed.
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi: reckon he has an excellent chance of getting that 3rd AB 9 spot. Looks a better play than Weber IMO
He made a lot of errors. He just instills confidence that he will blow a game. What the hell was he thinking, kicking the ball away with 50 seconds on the clock? Mindless.
If Jordie isn't starting, I would probably rather have him on the bench.
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@bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
DMac is erratic and prone to disastrous errors.
In an ideal world he would never get close to a regular test gig. And yet he's looking like a certain bench option. Jesus.
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Perofeta is coming. If he stays injury free he’s an ideal 10/15 who’s probably already a better 10. He needs plenty of work, but I think he miiiight be ready by next year.
Having said that, Barrett will probably bugger off after the WC, so we’ll be looking at Mo’unga, Perofeta, and Dmac. Falcon has a bit of Cruden about him, but he’s miles away, and none of them are anywhere near DC level who was quality on the international stage at 21! Lions 2005, he was only 23...
Fuck I miss him.
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Pardon me if i don't put faith in a blues player being our saviour
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
DMac is erratic and prone to disastrous errors.
In an ideal world he would never get close to a regular test gig. And yet he's looking like a certain bench option. Jesus.
I think on balance DMac does more good than bad and TBH, we all forget (well some of us don't) that BB was an erratic 10 for a number of years but was an AB for all the other stuff he brought to the team.
I think DMac's errors get focused on a lot more than some of his contemporaries liek Jordie Barrett. I can't remember whether it was last week or the week before where Jordie had an awesome first half and then a really awful second half yet the DMac style derision wasn't heaped on him.
I guess it is up to the selectors to decide whether his good outweighs the bad and if they're happy to go with a 10 on the bench or a utility like DMac. We might see both DMac and Jordie on the bench together.
Edit: In saying that it would be nice if DMac could bring his eror rate down as the season progresses.
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I'm sure DMac has been criticised but his performance was more good than bad. I'm expecting plenty of teething problems as he learns to play 1st 5 at this level on the job. The Highlanders were obviously targetting his channel but he held up well on defence.
I'm glad I am not the only one criticising Weber. Again, his passing was erratic with two passes bouncing to DMac, and others high to their intended man.
Wainui still looks like a converted centre to me. I thought he was very good on attack but his positional play on defence was lacking. You don't see it on the TV footage but in one stoppage of play Strawbridge talks to both Wainui and Alaimalo about what they should be doing.
All in all, it was a good NZ derby that went down to the wire. The Chiefs can be happy they had a dominant scrum with their 3rd rated LH and 4th rated TH prop playing.
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@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
Hahahaha.
Agree on BB, his rugby playing makes up for his test match 10 deficiencies (I fear a Canes hit squad will be hunting us down imminently)
I'm ok with DMac and Jordie, think they're both young - obviously they don't hold a candle to Reiko who is easily the best young player in NZ at the moment.
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Completely agree with B. Barrett. He really can't control a game unless he plays the other side out of it by just being awesome. I would easily take Carter every day for his nous. Beauden doesn't make a lot of errors like D Mac does - he just takes bad options (like kicking the ball at the wrong time).
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
Jordies performances against the Lions for the ABs (MOTM) and Canes got everyone super excited. He appears well suited to test footy. DMac on the other hand has looked out of his depth against far lesser opposition. Those two players are not in the same league right now.
Beauden is an interesting one - his game is not that well suited to test footy, particularly at 10, but he's so fucking good he generally makes up for it with moments of brilliance. He and DC are not in the same league though, DC was IMO the GOAT first five in the world. We're unlikely to see another 10 of his quality in our lifetimes.
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@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
Jordies performances against the Lions for the ABs (MOTM) and Canes got everyone super excited. He appears well suited to test footy. DMac on the other hand has looked out of his depth against far lesser opposition. Those two players are not in the same league right now.
Beauden is an interesting one - his game is not that well suited to test footy, particularly at 10, but he's so fucking good he generally makes up for it with moments of brilliance. He and DC are not in the same league though, DC was IMO the GOAT first five in the world. We're unlikely to see another 10 of his quality in our lifetimes.
I always find this a curious statement (unless you're close to your expiry date). The next "DC quality" first-five may already be playing in a school U15 team somewhere, but just needing some more years to develop and grow. And some players just develop later or more slowly. How can you tell that a Mo'unga, Perofeta or Falcon (or a Plummer, McClutchie etc) can't become a DC quality player in a few years from now? Odd. Players also don't need to be DC clones or have an identical playing style to reach that quality.
I also rate BB higher than some other posters on the Fern, apparently ...
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@stargazer said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
Jordies performances against the Lions for the ABs (MOTM) and Canes got everyone super excited. He appears well suited to test footy. DMac on the other hand has looked out of his depth against far lesser opposition. Those two players are not in the same league right now.
Beauden is an interesting one - his game is not that well suited to test footy, particularly at 10, but he's so fucking good he generally makes up for it with moments of brilliance. He and DC are not in the same league though, DC was IMO the GOAT first five in the world. We're unlikely to see another 10 of his quality in our lifetimes.
I always find this a curious statement (unless you're close to your expiry date). The next "DC quality" first-five may already be playing in a school U15 team somewhere, but just needing some more years to develop and grow. And some players just develop later or more slowly. How can you tell that a Mo'unga, Perofeta or Falcon (or a Plummer, McClutchie etc) can't become a DC quality player in a few years from now? Odd. Players also don't need to be DC clones or have an identical playing style to reach that quality.
I also rate BB higher than some other posters on the Fern, apparently ...
Except they sort of do. Dan Carter was a complete player. Generalship, passing, field kicking, goal kicking, speed, defence etc. Any player like Beauden who is great but has glaring weaknesses are always going to be talked about like Mehrtens. "Mehrtens was a great player but....." and we all know what the but is....How good would Barrett have to be as an attacking player to be regarded as better than Carter? How good would Wilkinson's general play had to have been, to be regarded as better than Carter?
The only way to beat Carter is to do everything he did as well as he did and never have a form slump/injuries (as Carter did post 2011). Or else to somehow combine the best of Barrett and Wilkinson. It's possible but I doubt I will ever see it.
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@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nepia fair bit of truth there, but then i think BB is an ordinary test match 10 (but a great rugby player if that makes sense). I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while.
My opinion is also influenced by the fact i find Dmac incredibly irritating, I'm just not a fan.
I just don't see a composed test player in there anywhere.
Jordies performances against the Lions for the ABs (MOTM) and Canes got everyone super excited. He appears well suited to test footy. DMac on the other hand has looked out of his depth against far lesser opposition. Those two players are not in the same league right now.
Beauden is an interesting one - his game is not that well suited to test footy, particularly at 10, but he's so fucking good he generally makes up for it with moments of brilliance. He and DC are not in the same league though, DC was IMO the GOAT first five in the world. We're unlikely to see another 10 of his quality in our lifetimes.
While I agree with most of this post, I think it's a bit premature to rate Jordie as the second coming on one test against the Lions (where we drew). Lets see how he goes at test level after a year (which we would have seen last year if he didn't get injured) and then judge.
@Stargazer Carter was a breed apart (and you know I wouldn't say that lightly about a Cantab!) - he was the most complete 10 we've ever have and by far the best 10 we've ever had. None of those 10s you mention have shown yet that they are going to reach (let alone surpass) Carter levels. In fact none of them really look like they'll reach Cruden in his prime (although I hope they do for the ABs going forward).
Of course, it would be awesome if someone better than Carter came along (as long as they play for us!)
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@stargazer because Carter was Carter from day 1. Players of that quality aren't made. In my 30-odd years of watching he's the best, most complete I've seen. The Dan and Richie double act was a fucking blessing.
And then he went on to dominate his last test 13 years later. Jesus what a player.
Those guys you name aren't in the same city, let alone ballpark. I miss Dan.
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@Nepia yeah, agree re: Jordie. Was just musing about why he's so highly rated - those performances got us all pretty excited at the time!
