Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@magpie_in_aus said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@mokey sorry couldnt bring myself to clicking on Fords stuff. She is a vile. The feminist version of Rattue
Clementine "It's not really rape if its refugees doing it" Ford..Rattue is a Saint in comparison..and I can't stand the prick.
..not that this should become a political thread also...
Anyone else just get the nagging feeling that Cricket maybe isn't really up to the modern day increasingly sanitised overly technological environment we're currently in? I don't know if crowd numbers are indicative of a growing lack of interest in the game.
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz since I've been here, would have thought this would be a bit of a cricket stronghold, or maybe that's just Victoria being weird again.
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@rembrandt said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz
what? where have you been? We've just come off an Ashes summer, where England barely turned up, but the crowds were huge. And at the same time the Big Bash was played to pretty handy TV and in-person crowds. There is still huge interest in cricket in this country
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@mariner4life Not a word said at work and only my Kiwi mates here had any interest, could be just a Melbourne thing of course but I found it pretty weird.
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The MCG Boxing Day crowd was massive. And they still got nearly 50K to the Stars v Renegades BBL game. Victoria still loves its cricket.
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@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
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@siam said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
That's a big part of the issue IMO. So much opportunity for "I wonder if they were doing it then..."
Michael Vaughan has come out and said he was "pretty sure" it went on during the Ashes series.
It puts doubt in the mind. A bit like Stuart Broad's 169 against Pakiistan. There will always be a "were they trying to lose"?
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@Catogrande I was wondering how the hell he had a HS of 169. "Pakistan" clears that up - cheers.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I am just really struggling to understand vitriol that is being directed at the team. They cheated, they got caught, it is embarrassing, but fuck’in hell, the sun is going to come up tomorrow and little Johnny down by the oval is still going to want to play for Australia.
Sid I think this statement could be applied to more than just the Australian public.
At times like this social media becomes an absolute cesspool, and I've seen some pretty disgusting statements from people of all stripes.
Calls for lifetime bans (out of India and South Africa, mainly) are patently absurd. The shrill hysteria is becoming a little bit much.
Barbs I actually welcome all the media attention for this issue.
The internet generation might learn why cheating is a poor option with unfavourable repercussions.
Society needs these reminders from time to time, albeit in the shrill of MSM.
That media shrill is ever present so, like putting up with incompetent referees, we have to learn to work around them😉
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@Catogrande I was wondering how the hell he had a HS of 169. "Pakistan" clears that up - cheers.
Not just them generally, but specifically in that fourth test at Lords in 2010 which was the one where Butt and Amir got done for deliberate no-balls
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@mokey said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Just read this article by Clementine Ford for the SMH. She makes some great points in terms of the national hysteria about this scandal (including one fuckface who called this Cricket's #MeToo moment WTAF) and how this is in no way Australian sports darkest day.
Was this really sport's darkest day?
A cricket cheating scandal is no small thing, but there have been worse days for Australian sport.
I note she has a book coming out in October called 'Boys will be Boys'
Shit, I bet that's an awesome one to look forward to for Xmas.
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@siam that is bit of touchy issue.
Reverse swing is a little like sausage, we like them but we don't want to see how they are made.
Maintaining and working a ball is an art and all teams do it and when they are caught it usually involves a small step over the line. SA asked whether the umpires consider Warner's bandages were over the line, the umpires said no. Last time Australia was here Warner asked whether the practice of returning the ball on the bounce was over the line and the impact said no.
In any case, the first innings collapse happened just after the ball was changed so it is not like the Aussies had a chance to tamper with it, they just got very lucky with the ball that chosen.
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Cricket ball-tampering row: Australian trio sent home – as it happened
Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland said Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft were the only players aware of the ball-tampering plot
- A word from Australia’s current opponents: South Africa’s coach Ottis Gibson has had his say on the tourists’ “win at all costs” mentality.
“The Aussies have said it themselves, the brand of cricket they play is win-at-all-costs,” Gibson said on Tuesday, wondering whether the relative ease of Australia’s Ashes win might have played a part.
“When you look at the Ashes, they were never really behind in any of the games, they won quite comfortably. Here they have been behind a couple of times and perhaps that desperation came into it. It’s a shame that something like this had to happen for them to have to have a look at themselves.
“Every team, since the beginning of reverse swing, tries to get the ball to reverse. They skim it in, they bounce it in, they try and get it rough. The spinner gets his hand in the dirt and rubs it on the ball. Everybody has got a way of getting the ball to go a little bit further. The ball will reverse naturally, but everybody has a way of getting it to go a little bit further. Perhaps the desperation that they were behind in the game meant they took it that step further. It’s unfortunate.”
Gibson expressed surprise at how big the story has become globally, but believes this is because of the spectacular fall-from-grace for a side that has been such a power in the game. “When you see such a deliberate act, then people will become very interested in it,” he said. “Especially with what Steve Smith said, that it was planned by a few of them, makes it an even bigger topic for people to talk about.
“Cricket Australia is a hundred-year-old organisation and they have been the envy of the world in terms of winning World Cup and so on. They have had great teams and great players for a long time. Those great players from the past will now feel like their good name has been tarnished a bit, so people have a right to be upset about it.”
Though even the most cricket-obsessed of us might have been surprised at it leading the BBC’s 10 o’clock news the other night.*
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Fuuuck this is the gift that keeps on giving. Just read a story on Fox Sports that i swear should be on the Betoota.
David Warner got on the piss with his mates and removed himself from the team Whatsapp group. Teammates have demanded he br removed from the team hotel before there is an "incident".
Awesome
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This is mental. Do you reckon he was on a one man mission to get SA after all the bants about his missus? Kinda shaping up like that.
We're gonna need more popcorn.
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Was about to put up the same thing @barbarian - even for those annoyed by twitter threads, its an interesting read from a journo who has been around the team for a while.
@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Fuuuck this is the gift that keeps on giving. Just read a story on Fox Sports that i swear should be on the Betoota.
David Warner got on the piss with his mates and removed himself from the team Whatsapp group. Teammates have demanded he br removed from the team hotel before there is an "incident".
Awesome
@Virgil just woke up with a massive rage boner
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Steve Waugh has his say - so all of us can shut the fuck up, get back up to our mark, and do the best to knock him over:
FORMER Australian skipper Steve Waugh has taken Steve Smith and Co. to task in a lengthy message directed at the Australian cricket team, accusing the humiliated side of failing the baggy green.
The famed batsman and stoic leader captained the national side to one of its highest points since Don Bradman’s Invincibles in the 1940s.
As legendary as the boy from Panania was with the bat, his expertise at the crease will always be overshadowed by his ferocious leadership and burning desire to win.
Sledging — or, as Waugh described it, “mental disintegration” — never took a back seat under his 57-match leadership between 199 and 2004, a period which saw Australia lose just nine Tests.
But in his 168-match tenure across a glittering 19-year Test career, “Tugga” never had to deal with a controversy so damaging to the image of Australian cricket.
The 52-year-old lambasted his former side after an unfathomable turn of events saw Steve Smith banned by the ICC for overseeing ball tampering in the third Test in Cape Town.
Waugh revealed he’d been messaged by thousands of “heartbroken” fans after the ugly footage in Cape Town was exposed.
“Like many, I’m deeply troubled by the events in Cape Town this last week, and acknowledge the thousands of messages I have received, mostly from heartbroken cricket followers worldwide,” Waugh said on Tuesday.
“The Australian Cricket team has always believed it could win in any situation against any opposition, by playing combative, skilful and fair cricket, driven by our pride in the fabled Baggy Green.
“I have no doubt the current Australian team continues to believe in this mantra, however some have now failed our culture, making a serious error of judgment in the Cape Town Test match.”
Waugh urged Cricket Australia to revisit the Spirit of Cricket document as the national side deals with a complete leadership overhaul.
“In 2003, we modified the Spirit of Cricket document originally created by the M.C.C., to empower our players to set their own standards and commit to play the Australian way,” Waugh said.
“We must urgently revisit this document, rebind our players to it and ensure the spirit in which we play is safeguarded for the future of the sport, and to continue to inspire the dreams of every young kid picking up a bat and ball and for every fan who lives and breathes the game.
“A focused and balanced perspective is needed in the condemnation on those involved in this, with a clear and critical consideration to the social impact and mental health of all players.
“I will support all positive action to ensure an outcome for the betterment of the game, regaining the trust and faith of every fan of cricket.”
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