2018 Black Ferns
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@baron-silas-greenback The word "virtue signalling" is overused and out of place as a reaction to my post. I wasn't signalling anything here.
All I'm saying is that under better training and playing circumstances, in some years from now, women's rugby games will be more attractive to watch than it is currently, and some will watch, and obviously, some won't. That you will be in the latter category, is also very predictable.
What I don't understand is that someone like you, who obviously doesn't like women's rugby and has said so on more than one occasion, constantantly feels the need to barge into a thread about women's rugby (or reply to a post about it) to spew your disgust with your usual ultra-conservative, opiniated lingo, spoiling a discussion between people who - whether they like women's rugby or not - are at least able to hold a sensible discussion, without pouring acid all over the topic. If you're so sick of women's rugby being overhyped, why even read and respond to this thread? Before you accuse me of trying to stop you from expressing your opinion: I'm not. I'm just wondering why you feel the need to come in here without having anything constructive to say and spoil the discussion with your negativity?
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@stargazer are you new here? That's 99.9% of his posts.
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@stargazer said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback The word "virtue signalling" is overused and out of place as a reaction to my post. I wasn't signalling anything here.
All I'm saying is that under better training and playing circumstances, in some years from now, women's rugby games will be more attractive to watch than it is currently, and some will watch, and obviously, some won't. That you will be in the latter category, is also very predictable.
What I don't understand is that someone like you, who obviously doesn't like women's rugby and has said so on more than one occasion, constantantly feels the need to barge into a thread about women's rugby (or reply to a post about it) to spew your disgust with your usual ultra-conservative, opinated lingo, spoiling a discussion between people who - whether they like women's rugby or not - are at least able to hold a sensible discussion, without pouring acid all over the topic. If you're so sick of women's rugby being overhyped, why even read and respond to this thread? Before you accuse me of trying to stop you from expressing your opinion: I'm not. I'm just wondering why you feel the need to come in here without having anything constructive to say and spoil the discussion with your negativity?
@Stargazer Ultra conservative?? Because I don't like womens rugby? Does that make you a neo marxist because you do?
This thread is about womens rugby, and you keep making grandiose claims abut it. When you get challenged over your position, you start getting all bolshy. I will continue to comment on women's rugby and the lack of quality to it, and I will talk about womens rugby in the womens rugby thread, so suck it up.
You might think that someone challenging your cheer leading is spoiling the discussion, I think it is improving it. And I think it needed a lot of improving.
Opinionated lingo? err ok? Because you would never indulge in such a thing would you....This thread is just full of virtue signalling.. oh look I used that phrase again... how do I know this.. because womens rugby simply doesn't have support among rugby consumers in any meaningful way... yet here we have a whole bunch of guys who I am willing to bet have done precisely nothing for womens rugby ever.
I have coached a schools girls team and support my daughter when she wants to play it. I have also refereed inter schools girls games for her primary school, which meant I had to take a day off work. (in fact more than 1). She had a great time, she enjoys her sport. I fully support her. But it is simply fact that the standard is lesser than boys, not so bad at primary school age, but the product gets worse and worse as they get older. Now with kids it doesnt matter as they are playing a sport, not sellling a product, but as full pros, being a product matters. And the womens game is a shit product. Is it a shite sport? No. No such thing really as long as the participants enjoy it and support themselves.
So I will continue to comment and I wont be detterred b some middle aged blokes who closest and most intense support of female rugby is to click the 'like' button on a rugby forum on some post by a virtue signalling buffoon.. (oh look I used virtue signalling again.
I have asked you numerous questions, but you just ignore and continue the rhetoric, accusing others of acid attacks, prejudice and ultra conservatism. -
I am happy to watch women's rugby, and know it will improve. I even watch some of their NPC games.
But they're physically at the level of 15 year old boys.
Since I enjoy watching as much for strategy and decision making as simple physicality, that's not a killer for me. Good women's games are at least played as well as can be inside the limits of their size. But we can't pretend those limits don't exist.
It was good to ref women's games. I towered over the lineout and could keep up with play easily. The cute halfback bending over in front of me to put the ball in the scrum was a touch distracting though.
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The problem for the BFs and other womens sports isn't so much that they're competing with their male counterparts, but they're competing with the wider entertainment industry that includes movies and high quality TV viewing on demand these days. The men struggle to get big viewing numbers let alone the women.
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I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
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@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
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FYI. Since the women's World Cup last year, Sky has televised approx. 15 of the 40 women's NPC games (about 6 Premiership & 6 Championship round robin games; 2 of the 3 semi-finals and the 2 finals). Most (not all) of these games were played and broadcast at the same time as Mitre 10 Cup games. Only a few of the best players (Black Ferns) played from the beginning of the Farah Palmer Cup; most of them joined their team halfway through the competition.
There has only been one test match (last week) since WC.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
The exact amount which has been televised. Zero.
However, I did go looking for the NZ vs OZ game this weekend, but it wasn't televised here.
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@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
The exact amount which has been televised. Zero.
However, I did go looking for the NZ vs OZ game this weekend, but it wasn't televised here.
They televise womens rugby in the UK dont they?
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Black Ferns squad for the 2nd test against Australia. Kick-off is at 5.00pm NZT. Live on Sky Sport 1 (Aus: Fox Sports ch 501)
1 Phillipa Love (3)
2 Fiao'o Faamausili (53, Captain)
3 Aldora Itunu (16) / Leilani Perese (1)
4 Eloise Blackwell (33)
5 Charmaine Smith (17)
6 Charmaine McMenamin (15)
7 Les Elder (10)
8 Aroha Savage (29)
9 Kendra Cocksedge (43, Vice Captain)
10 Ruahei Demant (1)
11 Alena Saili (1)
12 Theresa Fitzpatrick (8)
13 Stacey Waaka (12)
14 Renee Wickliffe (31)
15 Selica Winiata (32, Vice Captain)16 Te Kura Ngata-Aerengamate (21)
17 Cristo Tofa (1)
18 Leilani Perese (1) / Aleisha Nelson (26)
19 Jackie Patea-Fereti (13)
20 Linda Itunu (36)
21 Kristina Sue (11)
22 Krysten Cottrell (1)
23 Chelsea Alley (16)Moore has named an unchanged team to the one that beat Australia 31-11 in Sydney, with newly capped tighthead prop Leilani Perese bracketed with the experienced Aldora Itunu. Moore said Itunu had progressed well this week after sustaining a minor injury in Sydney and is expected to retain the propping duties. Moore has placed his faith in a side that contained five players making their Test debuts in Sydney, including newcomers Ruahei Demant who will retain director duties at first-five-eighth, and Southland’s Alena Saili who will once again, camp out on the left wing.http://www.allblacks.com/News/32903/black-ferns-team-named-for-second-test
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@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
The exact amount which has been televised. Zero.
However, I did go looking for the NZ vs OZ game this weekend, but it wasn't televised here.
They televise womens rugby in the UK dont they?
Not that I’ve seen.
No idea where you are going with this. They televise NPC here but I don’t watch it.
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@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
The exact amount which has been televised. Zero.
However, I did go looking for the NZ vs OZ game this weekend, but it wasn't televised here.
They televise womens rugby in the UK dont they?
Not that I’ve seen.
No idea where you are going with this. They televise NPC here but I don’t watch it.
I am wondering about the follow through. You watched a match and enjoyed it. Good for you. I was just wondering how keen it made you to watch more, and if you went out of your way to watch more women's rugby.
Because I think the follow through will be close to zero for most. -
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@baron-silas-greenback said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@majorrage said in 2018 Black Ferns:
I was once on the womans rugby is shit train, didn't watch it.
Then I watched the WC final where we beat England and it was fantastic.
I don't think you can expect to view it the same way you do the senior men's - it's a different beast, much less physical, which on the flip side means there are few fewer stoppages.
Admittedly this was the game's showpiece, and at the very upper level, but as a sport, I found it enjoyable, which I wasn't expecting honestly.
How many games have you watched since?
The exact amount which has been televised. Zero.
However, I did go looking for the NZ vs OZ game this weekend, but it wasn't televised here.
They televise womens rugby in the UK dont they?
Not that I’ve seen.
No idea where you are going with this. They televise NPC here but I don’t watch it.
I am wondering about the follow through. You watched a match and enjoyed it. Good for you. I was just wondering how keen it made you to watch more, and if you went out of your way to watch more women's rugby.
Because I think the follow through will be close to zero for most.Ok, fair enough - and if you compare apples with apples, then its' fair to say that some follow through is there. As I did intend to watch the NZ vs Oz game last week, but couldn't as it wasn't televised - I'm not a big enough of a fan to go illegal streaming it.
During the last 6N, there was a woman's 6N tournament as well which was well supported. I watched Wales vs England, which was also a good match, although with no skin in the game, I wouldn't say it was turning point for me.
You are correct if you think I won't watch a club or even a regional game, thats true. But if I see the Black Ferns are playing on TV, then I'll definitely watch.
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Whether someone likes a particular sport (male or female) will come down to your personal preference. I enjoy watching a wide range of sport but there are some that I have no interest in.
I think the first women's game I watched live was a NZ v Eng test in the late 1990s. Free entry helped.
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My reptilian brain tells me no rugby man should assume any value from "professional" women's rugby unless they've been hen pecked into thinking they should give a shit, or to see how many are rootable.
It's like saying you don't mind the odd shandy every now and then 🙂
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@siam Err, no.
My wife could name exactly two All Blacks when I said she had to name at least one to get her glass of wine last night. At least Brodie Retallick was number 1, as it should be. She couldn't name a single player by position though. Nor any non-Chiefs. She cares less than zero about it.
So if I watch women's rugby, it sure won't be because I've been "hen-pecked". If anything its me forcing her to watch games.
I'll watch women's rugby because I like to watch rugby. All rugby. From shitty Under 55 B teams up to ABs.
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@chester-draws said in 2018 Black Ferns:
@siam Err, no.
My wife could name exactly two All Blacks when I said she had to name at least one to get her glass of wine last night. At least Brodie Retallick was number 1, as it should be. She couldn't name a single player by position though. Nor any non-Chiefs. She cares less than zero about it.
So if I watch women's rugby, it sure won't be because I've been "hen-pecked". If anything its me forcing her to watch games.
I'll watch women's rugby because I like to watch rugby. All rugby. From shitty Under 55 B teams up to ABs.
Says the guy who's summary of reffing women's rugby emphasizes fantasizing over the halfback's snatch. 😉
