2017 November Internationals
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
I know Steady Eddie likes to experiment but has Mike Brown bulked up enough to play loosehead? How is Nathan Hughes under the high ball?
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@pakman said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pot-hale Having seen any games, but hear Henshaw has been very good at 13.
Yes. He’s been in superb form there for Leinster this season - was wasted at 12 in my view. It’ll create a nice bit of competition/depth in midfield with Ringrose coming back in January, and McCloskey and Chris Farrell pushing for the 12 jersey. Tom Farrell at Connacht is also developing nicely in that role.
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@crucial said in 2017 November Internationals:
@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
I know Steady Eddie likes to experiment but has Mike Brown bulked up enough to play loosehead? How is Nathan Hughes under the high ball?
Brown has the pace for loosehead for sure.
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
In fairness to Brown, last time out against Argentina his passing featured prominently in a couple of the tries.
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@disgusted-of-tw said in 2017 November Internationals:
@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
In fairness to Brown, last time out against Argentina his passing featured prominently in a couple of the tries.
Yeah, he was also looking good out in Argentina but was pretty ordinary during the 6N.
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@mn5 said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pakman said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pot-hale Having seen any games, but hear Henshaw has been very good at 13.
Major disappointment on the Lions tour but. Lots of people had him pencilled into the rest team.
Agreed - although at 12 not 13.
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(Men's) Barbarians to play Tonga:
15 George Bridge (Crusaders)
14 Taqele Naiyaravoro (Waratahs & Australia)
13 Richard Buckman (Highlanders)
12 Harold Vorster (Lions)
11 Vince Aso (Hurricanes)
10 Robert du Preez (Stormers)
9 Nic Stirzaker (Rebels, Vice captain)
1 James Cronin (Munster and Ireland)
2 Akker van der Merwe (Sharks)
3 Brian Scott (Munster)
4 Geoff Parling (Munakata Sanix Blues & England, Captain)
5 Quinn Roux (Connacht & Ireland)
6 Jordi Murphy (Leinster & Ireland)
7 Simone Favaro (Fiamme Oro & Italy)
8 Willie Britz (Sunwolves)Replacements
16 Adriaan Strauss (Bulls & South Africa)
17 Jacques van Rooyen (Lions)
18 Ruan Smith (Toyota Verblitz)
19 Donncha O’Callaghan (Worcester Warriors & Ireland)
20 John Muldoon (Connacht & Ireland)
21 Andy Ellis (Kobelco Steelers & New Zealand)
22 David Smith (Castres)
23 Sam Carter (Brumbies & Australia)Women's Barbarians to play Munster Women:
15 Elen Evans (Caernarfon & Wales)
14 Tova Derk (Wasps & Sweden)
13 Vicki Jackson (Wasps & England)
12 Megan Goddard (Gloucester-Hartpury & England)
11 Jackie Shiels (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
10 Christelle LeDuff (SO Villonguet & France)
9 Emma Jensen (College Rifles & New Zealand)
1 Fiona Coghlan (UL Bohemians & Ireland, captain)
2 Amy Garnett (Saracens & England)
3 Claire Cripps (Wasps & England)
4 Marie Reilly (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
5 Lenaige Corson (Stade Rennais & France)
6 Susie Brown (Richmond & Scotland)
7 Rachel Taylor (Caernarfon & Wales)
8 Kelly Russell (Toronto Nomads & Canada)Replacements
16 Ailis Egan (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
17 Tracy Balmer (Worcester & Scotland)
18 Edel McMahon (Galwegians)
19 Becky Essex (Richmond & England)
20 Nora Stapleton (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
21 Amanda Thornborough (Westshore & Canada)
22 Georgina Roberts (Darlington MP Sharks & England)
23 Tania Rosser (Blackrock & Ireland)A lot of internationals from this year's women's world cup in this team. The only Kiwi in the team is former Black Fern and triple (2002, 2006 and 2010) World Cup winner Emma Jensen.
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
They've made one change to that line-up. Tom Curry got injured in training on Thursday (dislocated a small bone in his left wrist, had surgery and is out for up to 12 weeks) and is replaced on the bench by Sam Simmonds.
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Italian team to play Fiji
15 Jayden HAYWARD (Benetton Rugby, debut)
14 Leonardo SARTO (Glasgow Warriors, 32 caps)
13 Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
12 Tommaso CASTELLO (Zebre Rugby Club, 2 caps)
11 Mattia BELLINI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
10 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby Club, 22 caps)
9 Marcello VIOLI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
8 Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 126 caps) - capitano
7 Abraham STEYN (Benetton Rugby, 14 caps)
6 Francesco MINTO (Benetton Rugby, 36 caps)
5 Dean BUDD (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
4 Marco FUSER (Benetton Rugby, 24 caps)
3 Simone FERRARI (Benetton Rugby, 5 caps)
2 Luca BIGI (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
1 Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby Club, 17 caps)Reserves:
16 Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulosain, 86 caps)
17 Federico ZANI (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
18 Dario CHISTOLINI (Zebre Rugby Club, 18 caps)
19 Marco LAZZARONI (Benetton Rugby, 1 cap)
20 Giovanni LICATA (Fiamme Oro Rugby, debut)
21 Edoardo GORI (Benetton Rugby, 63 caps)
22 Ian MCKINLEY (Benetton Rugby, debut)
23 Matteo MINOZZI (Zebre Rugby Club, debut)
.Fiji
15 Kini MURIMURIWALU (La Rochelle)
14 Josua TUISOVA (Toulon RC)
13 Asaeli TIKOIROTUMA (London Irish)
12 Jale VATUBUA (Pau)
11 Timoci NAGUSA (Montpellier)
10 Ben VOLAVOLA (North Harbour)
9 Frank LOMANI (Naitasiri)
8 Nemani NAGUSA (Aurillac)
7 Akapusi QERA (Agen) - capitano
6 Semi KUNATANI (Stade Toulousain)
5 Leone NAKARAWA (Racing ’92)
4 Apisalome RATUNIYARAWA (Northampton Saints)
3 Manasa SAULO (London Irish)
2 Tuapati TALEMAITOGA (Aix Marseille Provence Rugby)
1 Campese MA’AFU (Northampton Saints)Reserves
16 Sunia KOTO (Marcon)
17 Peni RAVAI (Bordeaux-Begles)
18 Ropate RINAKAMA (Northland)
19 Sikeli NABOU (Biarritz Olympique)
20 Mosese VOKA (Namosi)
21 Henry SENILOLI (Timisoara Saracens)
22 Levani BOTIA (La Rochelle)
23 Vereniki GONEVA (Newcastle Falcons) -
@stargazer said in 2017 November Internationals:
Italian team to play Fiji
15 Jayden HAYWARD (Benetton Rugby, debut)
14 Leonardo SARTO (Glasgow Warriors, 32 caps)
13 Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
12 Tommaso CASTELLO (Zebre Rugby Club, 2 caps)
11 Mattia BELLINI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
10 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby Club, 22 caps)
9 Marcello VIOLI (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
8 Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 126 caps) - capitano
7 Abraham STEYN (Benetton Rugby, 14 caps)
6 Francesco MINTO (Benetton Rugby, 36 caps)
5 Dean BUDD (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
4 Marco FUSER (Benetton Rugby, 24 caps)
3 Simone FERRARI (Benetton Rugby, 5 caps)
2 Luca BIGI (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
1 Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby Club, 17 caps)Reserves:
16 Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulosain, 86 caps)
17 Federico ZANI (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)
18 Dario CHISTOLINI (Zebre Rugby Club, 18 caps)
19 Marco LAZZARONI (Benetton Rugby, 1 cap)
20 Giovanni LICATA (Fiamme Oro Rugby, debut)
21 Edoardo GORI (Benetton Rugby, 63 caps)
22 Ian MCKINLEY (Benetton Rugby, debut)
23 Matteo MINOZZI (Zebre Rugby Club, debut)
.Fiji
15 Kini MURIMURIWALU (La Rochelle)
14 Josua TUISOVA (Toulon RC)
13 Asaeli TIKOIROTUMA (London Irish)
12 Jale VATUBUA (Pau)
11 Timoci NAGUSA (Montpellier)
10 Ben VOLAVOLA (North Harbour)
9 Frank LOMANI (Naitasiri)
8 Nemani NAGUSA (Aurillac)
7 Akapusi QERA (Agen) - capitano
6 Semi KUNATANI (Stade Toulousain)
5 Leone NAKARAWA (Racing ’92)
4 Apisalome RATUNIYARAWA (Northampton Saints)
3 Manasa SAULO (London Irish)
2 Tuapati TALEMAITOGA (Aix Marseille Provence Rugby)
1 Campese MA’AFU (Northampton Saints)Reserves
16 Sunia KOTO (Marcon)
17 Peni RAVAI (Bordeaux-Begles)
18 Ropate RINAKAMA (Northland)
19 Sikeli NABOU (Biarritz Olympique)
20 Mosese VOKA (Namosi)
21 Henry SENILOLI (Timisoara Saracens)
22 Levani BOTIA (La Rochelle)
23 Vereniki GONEVA (Newcastle Falcons)Jaydeno Haywardalino.
Fucken great player.
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@pot-hale said in 2017 November Internationals:
Ireland side for SA.
Henshaw at 13 and Conway and Stockdale starting on the wings is the most pleasing thing. Aki inclusion, less said the better. Pleased for Sweetnam to make the backs bench along with the improving James Ryan. Schmidt developing the stocks nicely. Ruddock very unlucky to miss out to POM on the blind - he’s been superb for Leinster so far this season.
15 Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
14 Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
13 Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
12 Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)*
11 Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 2 caps
10 Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps
9 Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps1 Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
2 Rory Best (c) (Banbridge/Ulster) c 104 caps
3 Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
4 Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
5 Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
6 Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
7 Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
8 CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 capsReplacements
16. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps
19. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
23. Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster)*I’ll be interested to see how Aki goes. I’ve slways maintained he is a better play than Francis Sailli but Francis had a wee coterie of fans.
Stockdale looks a good talent. Ireland has had a succession of mainly “meh” wingers (to which Conway can be added) but Stockdale has impressed when I’ve watched Ulster.
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@stargazer that team seems odd for the women - I thought the one uncapped player usually starts?
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@gunner said in 2017 November Internationals:
I wish you guys would post the team lists in an orthodox manner.
Either 1-15, or 15-1.
In what world does 1 come after 9 when counting backwards?
The part that struggles with change.
The 15-9 followed by 1-8 listing follows the position order of the old jersey numbers where fullback was one and the Number 8 was 15. Primarily this was a South Africa thing. England and Wales (despite the ordering used when listing teams now) actually had the openside at 15 and the eightman at 14
NZ went 1-15 from fullback through to loosehead.
Ireland and France used the system currently standard.
NZ changed. SA changed. England and Wales only changed the numbers on the jerseys but not the order on the team sheet. Ireland, despite actually getting it right a long time ago choose to issue their team lists in the same convoluted manner as England.It's a bit like when these places went metric but didn't really go metric. Sell fuel by the litre but measure roads by miles and measure fuel economy by miles to gallon. Sell milk in 568ml containers so it is just a pint by another name rather than taking advantage of the simplicity of the metric system and rounding.
Mind you we are all stupid enough to use beer drinking vessels that dictate filling right to the brim to get the correct measure so that you can spill some it anyway.
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@crucial said in 2017 November Internationals:
@gunner said in 2017 November Internationals:
I wish you guys would post the team lists in an orthodox manner.
Either 1-15, or 15-1.
In what world does 1 come after 9 when counting backwards?
Mind you we are all stupid enough to use beer drinking vessels that dictate filling right to the brim to get the correct measure so that you can spill some it anyway.
I thought that was only a problem over these ways? I don't recall the need to fill to the brim down under.
