Springboks v All Blacks
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Tense test to watch. Good to see the Saffas come back and play with some heart and directness after the drubbing in NZ.
WTF SBW is getting a lot of hate for errors that aren't entirely his. He dropped a ball early, but his other turnovers were down to not quick enough clean outs after he got over the advantage line and Marx being outstanding.
Also, when he's carrying he's getting the ball over the advantage line - I think that the coaches will be happy with that.
Havilli has had a great start to his test career.
Nice for the ABs to get an intercept try on the Boks!
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@bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Naholo back into the starting XV.
Yep the only choice left standing, pretty bloody good for a 3rd/4th choice.
My replacement comment was more who comes into the squad, not necessarily the first choice 14.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:
du Toit huge at 7. Kind of dwarfed Cane.
Given one was playing blindside and the other open it's a tough comparison...
...Saffas play 6 and 7 opposite to normal countries.
Oh crap, of course.
Forwards, they're those big lumpy people that don't give it to the backs right?
I actually thought Steph-Du Toit was busy without being hugely effective.
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@gunner said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Naholo back into the starting XV.
Yep the only choice left standing, pretty bloody good for a 3rd/4th choice.
My replacement comment was more who comes into the squad, not necessarily the first choice 14.
Time to bring in Tamanivalu.
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@gunner said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Yep the only choice left standing, pretty bloody good for a 3rd/4th choice.
My replacement comment was more who comes into the squad, not necessarily the first choice 14.
Yep, when I re-read your post I understood what you were meaning.
The ABs probably won't bother with specialist cover on the wing for the Brisbane test as they've moved DMac there in recent tests.
For the EOYT squad, who knows? Seta might come back into contention.
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@gunner said in Springboks v All Blacks:
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Bring on the EOYT.
Replacement for NMS needed, maybe they'll have a look at Duffie now, if they weren't already going to.Sorry I think your autocorrect kicked in. Fixed version below
Replacement for NMS needed, maybe they'll have a look at Bucky now, if they weren't already going to.
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@bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Naholo back into the starting XV.
Good. At least he's got the pace to finish off tries...
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@rancid-schnitzel I believe our current group of props are doing pretty well and not sure Moody or Franks would change the game that much. I pretty happy with how the props are playing and even Ofa.
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@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
2/3rds through the game with nz having 2 tries and Saffa 1 - it occurred to me that NZs 2 tries were very old school. Both scrappy opportunities from opposition mistakes. While the Saffa try was very, very modern. Plonking it down it front of the metre wide goal pads (dumbest law in rugby, imagine a RWC final getting decided that way one day, will be humiliating for the sport)
It's been the law for ever. After a century it's now a problem?
Not every field has pads like that, and you don't want 15 year olds flying into each other around goalposts.
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Good one! However did I read somewhere that Buckman spending the rest of the season in Japan? Still possible Savea is recalled which I hope not, would prefer Aso or Tamanivalu.
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If they want a fullback/wing type go for Nanai, Duffie, or Stephenson. Otherwise Tamanivalu and Aso are options.
I assume Naholo will be in for the last Bledisloe game.
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What a game.
As has been said - Marx and Etzebeth just sensational.
I think the Boks need to get Pollard at 10 - Jantjes wasnt bad but I think Pollard offers more.
For the ABs was impressed by Coles/Taylor, Read and DMac. SBW on defence was great. The bench was impressed by Havili, TKB. Also Ofa T loves playing the Boks - he had another stormer off the bench! Todd was ok off the bench but nothing special - basically like Ardie. Also Read's workrate was something to behold.
With NMS out us id like to see Havili play 14 in Brissy.
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While I think it's an odd time to start complaining about scoring against the goal posts....
I've long thought the posts should be on the dead ball line rather. Safety reasons obviously, but you're also narrowing the part of the field penalties can be taken from which is good considering how far some of the guys can kick it nowadays.
Have the posts at the dead ball line the way they do with American football.
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@cheetahsbo I was thinking that too.. But then we need to remember that some fields have long dead ball lines..
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Good game to watch. While I was a little disappointed for a few minutes at losing, when I consider the huge turnaround from 57 - 0 I feel a lot better.
If they BUILD on this we might actually be a challenger next year.
Forwards were excellent today. Only Ruan Dreyers scrummaging let us down. Wilco Louw looked an improvement and could challenge Malherbe when he returns.
The backs are still a letdown. I've said since start of TRC that Serfontein is the only good thing in that backline. I'm now willing to give Kriel an opportunity to build on his performances as well. But the rest needs an overhaul IMO.
Jantjies is just never going to cut it. Gots ta go. Love watching him play for the Lions but he's not snappy enough and can't eliminate the errors to be playing for the Springboks.
Not sure what to do at scrumhalf. Cronjé till someone better comes along.
Warrick Gelant should be Springbok fullback with a pair of better wingers.
9 ?
10 Handré Pollard
11 S'bu Nkosi???
12 Jan Serfontein
13 EW Viljoen
14 ???
15 Warrick GelantSort the backline out and keep them playing with that sort of intent and we can resume "rugbys greatest rivalry"
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Set a maximum size of ingoal. End of the day after that you're both playing on the same field.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:
du Toit huge at 7. Kind of dwarfed Cane.
Given one was playing blindside and the other open it's a tough comparison...
...Saffas play 6 and 7 opposite to normal countries.
Oh crap, of course.
Forwards, they're those big lumpy people that don't give it to the backs right?
There's a reason for that: Grubber kicks
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@cheetahsbo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
While I think it's an odd time to start complaining about scoring against the goal posts....l
Have the posts at the dead ball line the way they do with American football.
Too far back for most school grounds is the problem. That would put the posts right on the neighbouring properties, and sometimes roads. And fishing balls out of gullies is no fun either.
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Saw the card. That's a red, without doubt.
Late as fuck, and effectively a forearm to the neck, not a late "high tackle" by any stretch of the imagination. Had two steps to change his line. Could have wrapped his arms. Full visibility of a falling opponent.
No excuses.
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On the goalpost pads - I'm surprised coaches aren't specifically targeting scoring against them. Work a few rucks towards them and then it's very hard to defend against from close range.
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I'm thinking Operation RWC 2019 might just see "Project Youth" in the back 3: Ioane, Barrett Jnr, DMac, Havili + old man Smith for a wise head and calmness under pressure.
Should be worried:
*Dagg - cannot match the others for pace
*Sopoaga - it's not hard to see DMac becoming the 10/15 supersub bench option (can't see DMac holding out Smith and Barrett Jnr for the starting FB role for the moment, but we see) -
I don't mind the idea of using an American-style goal set back from the line, but the physics of bringing the crossbar to the tryline are nigh-impossible unless your ingoal is very skinny
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@billy-tell On "current form," I think you'd lock Ben Smith and Ioane into the squad.
But if they stick with the same structure as last time, then I think Sopoaga is sitting pretty as the second option at 1st five. DMac (if he can genuinely play first-five) has the possibility to nail the (third) first five utility role that Barrett and Slade filled.
In which case, last time they only took four outside backs - so just two slots to be fought out between Dagg, NMS, Naholo, Jordie, Jules, Havili, Tamanivalu and anyone else I'm overlooking or thinks they're a shot.
There will be some good players today, who are going to miss out.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/27934/all-blacks-squad-for-rwc-2015-announced
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@98blueandgold @Nepia you guys say Dubs turnovers are others fault...I see them as poor options/carries by Dub.
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Few random thoughts: Great test! Wonderful to see Bokke give us heaps! But:
Forwards lacked close in go forward until Ofa and Crockett came one. Hames had a good game, but he and Laulala didn't add any carrying. Coles seems a little of the pace. Perhaps accentuated by last two opponents being Marx and Creevy (both excellent). Think we missed having a power lock. Whitelock not really a TH scrummager. Barrett and him seemed to lose out in loose to De Jaeger and Bruno, who was excellent, almost BBBR-like. Cane not so effective in loose, but he made numerous tackles tidying up in the 10-12 channel after Boks (esp. Serfontein) strolled through. Our midfield again didn't gel. SBW was tidy, but seems to have lost his mojo for the magic which used to be a game-opener. And Crotty also tidy but between them didn't seem to be asking many questions. Our back three (all that played there) excellent. And a word for Lima, who's goalkicking was a key reason we won.
On Bok side, thought their tight five shaded ours other than in scrums, where Dreyer ran into a ref who kept him honest. Kitshoff was immense in tight and loose. Pollard needs to be on the field for longer as his ability in tight spaces is streets ahead of Jantjies. Boks back three very mediocre. Biggest point of difference yesterday.
Strikes me the travel may have knocked the Blacks back a notch or two. Thought the impetus provided by our bench was a big part in getting the job done.
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SBW has been solid at best all season. I wish they would give Laumape another shot, maybe the dead Bledisloe rubber?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:
In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.
He was especially strong down the left wing..
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@tewaio said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:
In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.
He was especially strong down the left wing..
Some would say he defined that position
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The Boks were great yesterday and I was impressed by their big ball carriers : Marx, Kitshoff and Etzebeth. But how many try opportunities did they have apart from the ones they converted ? None actually. The ABs did not have to make try saving tackles. Most of the SA carries were in the middle of the field, very rarely near the ABs try-line.
I also liked their commitment in the rucks. But was it legal ? I tend to thing that with another referee, it could have been a different story.
I think Sam Cane let them get too much momentum by missing a few tackles. He had his worst game in black for a while.
Liam Squire was the only NZ forward to drive efficiently, consistantly winning the collision area. With the type of game the Spingboks play, the ABs should have fielded a Nr.6 on the bench instead of a Nr.7. The play stayed in midfield for most of the game and seldom reached the wings, at least on the Boks side. This may sound weird but this is an option the ABs should look at the next time they play the Boks. -
@bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@98blueandgold @Nepia you guys say Dubs turnovers are others fault...I see them as poor options/carries by Dub.
Anyone got the stats on turnovers? From watching it live, it seemed to me that SBW turned the ball over about as much as DMac (who most think had a motm performance).
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@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks:
But how many try opportunities did they have apart from the ones they converted ? None actually.
I agree completely with the theme, but to be fair DMac's tackle on Cronje towards end of first half was try saving.
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Warning for Bok centre De Allende
The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee issued a warning to Springbok centre Damian de Allende after he was red carded against New Zealand. De Allende was issued a red card for a breach of Law10.4(o) "Late charging the kicker" in their Rugby Championship match at Newlands. However the Foul Play Review Committee found that the offence did not warrant a red card in all the circumstances and has issued a warning. SANZAAR Judicial Rule 7.4 states: "The Foul Play Review Committee may issue a Warning to a Player who has been cited or sent off if in the opinion of the Foul Play Review Committee the act of Foul Play came close to but did not warrant the Player receiving a red card in circumstances where the Player did not receive a yellow card for the act of Foul Play during the Match.” The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee of Nigel Hampton QC (Chairman), Stefan Terblanche and John Langford assessed the case. In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Nigel Hampton QC ruled the following: "Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles, as well as submissions from his legal representative, Attie Heyns, the Foul Play Review Committee found that, on an objective study, and with more time and video angles than the Referee had available to him, the act of foul play committed only came close to warranting a Red Card, and therefore a Warning (equivalent to a Yellow Card) was issued instead." "The charge was late and the player had time to pull out before colliding with his opponent. However, the collision was not effected with a great deal of force, with the initial contact being made with the player's forearm on the opponent's chest, from whence the arm rose up to make contact, again not forceful, onto the opponent's neck. The opponent was not injured." "The player is therefore free to play and will serve no suspension” All SANZAAR disciplinary matters are in the first instance referred to the Foul Play Review Committee to provide the option of expediting the judicial process. For a matter to be dispensed with at this hearing, the person appearing must plead guilty and accept the penalty offered by the Foul Play Review Committee.
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There we go. It was worth a YC as most us thought. RC was a bit harsh. Main thing though is it might have cost the Boks the match.
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@billy-tell Was harsh but it had no material impact as there was only four minutes left so it was no different to a yellow. I personally thought that it shouldn't even have been a penalty but the game has gone ultra soft these days and every little thing is deemed to be foul play.
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@bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@mimic I guess the flip side to that is DMac had a rather better highlights reel. I only recall one glaring turnover from him.
Hell yeah. I was resigned to the Bokke scoring in that situation thinking DMac was going to be pushed off easily. When he not only affected the tackle but somehow stole the ball away as well I was very impressed.
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@tewaio said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:
In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.
He was especially strong down the left wing..
Marx was especially effective at redistribution whenever he went over the ball.
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Changing sheds video captures the esteem the two teams hold each other in:
Is that Hames and Dreyer discussing in the background whether or not Garces's parents are married?
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