Bledisloe 2

nzzp

When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off

As I said after the Lions 3 debacle where people were claiming it wasn't a contest, Read has been contesting kickoffs like that for ages. It's a legit tactic, and pays off big time.

We went missing for kickoffs in Bled 1 though. Got reamed in that area.

taniwharugby

@nzzp was interesting hearing OWens telling the kickers to make sure players were behind at the restart, something they been very slack on and wonder if since Gatland highlighting that in that final play has made them take notice.

barbarian

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:

It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.

I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.

I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.

I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.

And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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SammyC

@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:

It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.

I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.

I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.

I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.

And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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Well said.....I love it too it's very entertaining.

Some fans need to stop taking everything so seriously, its a game and should be watched for enjoyment and entertainment.

dogmeat

As I said above nothing wrong with passion but you have to question a coach who is so often wrong - not just in the heat of the moment but also after he has had time to reflect.

I don't mind his histrionics at all. Just imagine what the Wallabies might be capable of if they had a coach?

Bovidae

You need to separate the animation/passion in the coaches box, which is funny as hell to watch (and something Meyer did), to his demeanour in the pressers.

taniwharugby

@barbarian

I don't hate him, I just think he comes across as a bit of a cock.

I have always found it odd that these coaches can in fact sit there almost emotionless most of the time, I get pretty animated as the coach of my sons U12 team, but nothing to that extent.

That said, I think if the cameras didn't go to him every time they know he is going to explode, maybe go more often at times when they know he will be calmer.

Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an issue with it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.

dogmeat

@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:

@barbarian

Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an ~~issue~~ alternative ~~with it~~, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.

Fixed

nzzp

@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:

And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine.

Certainly don't hate him, far from it. Just think that wearing your emotions on your sleeve and being so one-eyed isn't best for his team.

DMX

@Siam

Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.

NTA

Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.

ACT Crusader

@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:

It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.

I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.

I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.

I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title WITH THE HELP OF POOR REFFING FROM JOUBERT so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.

And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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If only he was so animated for correct refereeing during that final call on Richie aye

I don't mind a bit of reaction that is only natural during a contest, but every call?

KiwiMurph

@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:

Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.

Which they weren't

Siam

@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:

@Siam

Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.

edit, ahh nevermind

SammyC

@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:

Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.

Thought the wallabies did very well to stay square and straight at scrum time.

Just because the AB scrum was going forward doesn't mean we should be getting a whole bunch of penalties.

jegga

@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:

It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.

I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.

I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.

I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.

And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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No one has said you have to sit motionless have they? Don't hate him, in person he might be a great bloke to have a beer with but he comes across as a complete and utter cock as a coach.

I very much doubt that Woodward is someone I could have a beer with though, still don't hate him.

NTA

@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 2:

@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:

Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.

Which they weren't

In the opinion of the ref, they were

infidel

How did the don't boo the kicker campaign go, from someone at the ground?

Maybe Foley was a bit rattled in the silence?

NTA

@infidel I heard booing

Bones

@NTA Think they were talking about at the Bledisloe game mate.

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe 2