All Black Squad for Rugby Championship
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@reprobate
What I mean is that the Lions threw the ball relentlessly to their big men (Van Rooyen, 120 kg, Marx, 117 kg, Ferreira 120 kg and Mostert, 112 kg) to punch holes through the Canes defense, and that Shields managed to stop them dead in their tracks, at least during the first half. These men are not exactly punies, aren't they ? -
When are these opportunities that Luatua should have been given? During the Lions tour when he had already signed to go overseas?*
He had worked his way back into the ABs for the EOYT after a drop in form which saw Messam, Squire and Dixon go ahead of him. He then chose to piss off chasing cash. How is that Hansen's fault?- personally i would have picked him for the Lions instead of the injured Squire but based on form not 'giving him a chance'.
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I'm not sure who you are replying too, but I think the argument many were making was that on form, he should have been there for the Lions.
While he went on the end of year tour in 2016, he didn't get many opportunities - not chosen to play against Ireland, but played the full 80 against Italy, wasn't chosen against Ireland, and didn't play against France. He was pretty clearly seen as the back up 8, so I wonder if the message he got was that he's got no path until Read retires. In Hansen's defense, I'm not sure how they could have used him differently, because they clearly want Read to play 80.
He announced he was leaving in February, and was clearly one of the best 6 loosies going around, so I think it's a bit sad that he wasn't chosen for the Lions - on form.
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The All Blacks, minus the Crusaders contingent, head into training camp tomorrow and it will be worthwhile keeping an eye on who is invited as previous get-togethers have thrown out big clues about who the selectors are considering for future selection. This year there is particular relevance as with two games and three tests in November, the All Blacks intend to take 37 players with them to Europe and have a proper look at a handful of emerging players. Presumably the coaches will take the opportunity to bring some of those players on the far range of their radar into camp so they can start the process of embedding them into the systems and game plans. Also, given the intense nature of the Rugby Championship, the All Blacks will end up having to call in reinforcements from outside their original squad and it pays to have a wider group having had some kind of exposure rather than be thrown in cold. There's also been a couple of departures - and a few more pending - from the squad that was picked to play the Lions, with Charlie Faumuina and Aaron Cruden already in France and Tawera Kerr-Barlow and Malakai Fekitoa making their way after the Mitre 10 Cup.
The rest of the article is the usual speculation about which players could be called up. What's interesting to read is that apparently the squad is going into camp tomorrow without actually having been named (unlike last year).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11897722
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You would expect there will be an extra layer of fatigue for this group coming on the back of the Lions series plus the Chiefs, Hurricanes and Crusaders All Blacks having all made an extra trip to South Africa. Will be interesting how this plays out over the RC and EOYT.
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@gt12 said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
I'm not sure who you are replying too, but I think the argument many were making was that on form, he should have been there for the Lions.
While he went on the end of year tour in 2016, he didn't get many opportunities - not chosen to play against Ireland, but played the full 80 against Italy, wasn't chosen against Ireland, and didn't play against France. He was pretty clearly seen as the back up 8, so I wonder if the message he got was that he's got no path until Read retires. In Hansen's defense, I'm not sure how they could have used him differently, because they clearly want Read to play 80.
He announced he was leaving in February, and was clearly one of the best 6 loosies going around, so I think it's a bit sad that he wasn't chosen for the Lions - on form.
Wasn't replying to anyone in particular, just the general theme of that article above.
I agree that he should have been picked for the Lions on form but can understand why he wasn't after he had signed overseas. -
@gt12 said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
I'm not sure who you are replying too, but I think the argument many were making was that on form, he should have been there for the Lions.
While he went on the end of year tour in 2016, he didn't get many opportunities - not chosen to play against Ireland, but played the full 80 against Italy, wasn't chosen against Ireland, and didn't play against France. He was pretty clearly seen as the back up 8, so I wonder if the message he got was that he's got no path until Read retires. In Hansen's defense, I'm not sure how they could have used him differently, because they clearly want Read to play 80.
He announced he was leaving in February, and was clearly one of the best 6 loosies going around, so I think it's a bit sad that he wasn't chosen for the Lions -
I think that sums it up pretty well , he was pretty close , but not quite there,
IMO , shame he is going , not sure he will ever be a starting ab , but good depth player nonetheless
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I trust the usual Fern suspects have Chch Airport staked out?
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@KiwiMurph Awesome to see Buckman's name on that list!
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph Awesome to see Buckman's name on that list!
Totally! Would love to see him get a test, just for being him.
Interesting TKB is in the camp but Cruden is not
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@Hooroo said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph Awesome to see Buckman's name on that list!
Totally! Would love to see him get a test, just for being him.
Interesting TKB is in the camp but Cruden is not
TKB doesn't go to France until after Mitre 10 Cup whereas Cruden is off already.
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@Hooroo said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph Awesome to see Buckman's name on that list!
Totally! Would love to see him get a test, just for being him.
Interesting TKB is in the camp but Cruden is not
Cruden will be off to France soon; TKB will leave after Mitre 10 Cup season.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Hooroo said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph Awesome to see Buckman's name on that list!
Totally! Would love to see him get a test, just for being him.
Interesting TKB is in the camp but Cruden is not
TKB doesn't go to France until after Mitre 10 Cup whereas Cruden is off already.
Cheers! Was unaware of that
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@Stargazer Decent squad. JTA and Fifita are the only two players that I don't think should be there.
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So has Dixon been dropped?
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Awesome news for Buckmann! He's a smart player and they tend to do well at test level. Good on him.
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2017's Bull Allen
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So over 50% of the available starting super rugby players then? They sure do cast that net wide. They probably could have invited all super rugby players for a skill session.
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@chimoaus said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
So over 50% of the available starting super rugby players then? They sure do cast that net wide. They probably could have invited all super rugby players for a skill session.
Makes sense to invite that many if they want to run some 15 on 15....
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@chimoaus add in probably 13 Crusaders, and it's a really high proportion of our pro players.
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@mariner4life anything Chieka can do...
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@antipodean jesus how far things can fall in a short space of time. From kings of the world, to not being able to beat the Lions; probably not winning Super Rugby; and now following the Wallabies lead with squad sizes. Dark days. Winter is coming etc
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An interesting mix of players. Of particular interest are the props, locks and midfield and inclusion of TKB.
Dixon, Moala, Parsons and Pulu all recentish ABs who missed out. Nanai a recent "camp attendee".
Not too many clues on the order of the props and locks with so many being at the Crusaders but interesting to see Buckman and Ngatai there ahead of Moala (rightly so) unless Moala is injured? And good to see Atu Moli in the mix, he looked good against the Crusaders.
Strange that they have kept TKB there. Clearly number 3 in line and leaving. Is that because they see Brad Webber as the next in line but he hasn't had any gametime through injury?
Dmac listed as a 10 too.
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"Damian is a very good rugby player. At the moment there is no clear and obvious third 10 and we know Waikato are going to play him at 10 which will be great and he's a goal kicker as well and a good one and he's been in fine form at 15.
"If you look beyond today and the World Cup he could be someone we get going at 10 and then maybe give him some training time, not so much game-time, at nine so he could be your third nine. He's got a big part to play in the All Blacks over the next few years there's no doubt about that."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11898097
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@mariner4life said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@chimoaus add in probably 13 Crusaders, and it's a really high proportion of our pro players.
Only 13?
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Tim Of course, because they're still in SA and have final to play, the Crusaders aren't part of the discussion yet. I'd be very interested to find out whether the AB coaches have any plans regarding Mo'unga.
AS they state, no one apart from BB and Lima has really put their hand up sufficiently.
I have seen Mo'unga play some very good games but also seen him show a lot of inexperience in others.
I think the selectors desire to find a role for DMac because of his suite of talents has put him in with a chance in the 10 jersey, but only because they can't see how he would be any worse there than any other candidate. Meanwhile they get to play around with him at trainings to work out what they are going to do with him.
The concept of him being a back up 9,10,15 is not a silly one when you look ahead to the problems faced when selecting a RWC squad. Versatility (especially among backs) is very valuable in the RWC for both cover and rotation though pool games. They are hoping DMac can fill this role and that they can rely on BB and Lima. At some point they will also have to select a genuine 3rd 10 (like Lima has been up to now) just in case 2011 happens again. -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@mariner4life said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@chimoaus add in probably 13 Crusaders, and it's a really high proportion of our pro players.
Only 13?
Max.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@mariner4life said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@chimoaus add in probably 13 Crusaders, and it's a really high proportion of our pro players.
Only 13?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Awesome news for Buckmann! He's a smart player and they tend to do well at test level. Good on him.
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Cantablacks is so Millennial.
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