How are the ABs tracking for the RC?
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@mariner4life the Lions play requires alot of disipline as well, which we saw them struggle in test #2 v 14 when they were getting pinged, not sure the Saffas or Aussies can maintain that for the sustained periods as the Lions did for the most part (even if they shoulda been punished more)
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@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry... -
@Rembrandt Weepu, Giteau, Preston.
For comparison.
Aaron Smith 1.71m, 83kg
TJ Perenara 1.84m, 94kg
Tawera Kerr-Barlow 1.87m, 89kg
Brad Weber 1.72m, 75kg
Damian MacKenzie 1.77m, 78kg
Jon Preston 1.76m, 77kgI'm just suggesting hes on the peripheral unless a. injuries b. try a different position.
He'd also be elusive close in & near the ruck. -
@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@Rembrandt I base my case on DMac considering 9 on the following:
Hes been shown up as too small for international rugby against the tough sides. In the physical stakes Jordie has passed him.
Hes coming from a long way back in the 10 stakes, Beaudy, Sopoaga, Mouanga and then possibly Black, Jordie and this years U20 first-five, even Bryn Gatland all on a par or ahead.
Didn't they consider him as a 9 replacement on one of the EOYT games last year?
Nothing to do with size, but then his size does relate to elusive running, capable passing, another kicking option.I just think if he wants to have AB potential into the future, then the versatility of a 9/10 on the bench brings an interesting mix to proceedings - we could have a 6/2 bench split for example if circumstance dictates it.
I've always thought DMac plays his best rugby from FB where he can orchestrate proceedings. He thrives with runners coming off him, and still tends to have that individualistic flair which doesn't always suit a 10. As he is so nippy HB for the ABs would be an interesting prospect = and certainly Versatility with a capital V as we have seen v the Lions has been desperately sought. I think that is what may keep Shag and co interested in him.
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@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that. -
@westcoastie from what I read, Collins fall was more around losing that 1/4 final which took its toll on him mentally, it hit him so hard, whereas Rodders was run into the ground and then made to keep going by Cooper, so no wonder the guy fell off a cliff like he did.
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@mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?
You're better than that mimic.
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@MN5 said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?
You're better than that mimic.
JK would have eaten those origin forwards alive - finish with the rugby version of the bold ;).
On DMac - he's bigger than Cruden who managed to survive 50 tests for the ABs. I reckon his weight is going to start hitting the mid to late 80kgs soon anyway.
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@Nepia said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
On DMac - he's bigger than Cruden who managed to survive 50 tests for the ABs
... but after a few tests held together with string and bandages. FFS, Cruden looks like a walking advertisement for voltaren, and his form has dropped off over time. Not an advertisement for the longevity of small men at the top level
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I see Aura has all gone and poked off again, dammit!!
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@Hooroo said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
I see Aura has all gone and poked off again, dammit!!
At least Pete's keeping her alive!
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Surely we must still be equal 3rd faves with the Argies for TRC, surely we cant be lower than them?
Plus ol' woodenhead said our Aura was gone too after the loss last week, meaning we will not be expected to a win a game on the EOYT, now we will get to learn what it feels like ot be normal rugby fans
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@MN5 said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?
You're better than that mimic.
Slightly off topic but the way origin is commentated is in stark contrast to the way test matches are.
I watched the decider the other night and I actually found the commentary quite fun. "The perfect half of footy, these guys are unbelievable athletes!" etc. That was after the first half, which was far from the perfect half of footy with some pretty notable errors from both teams leading to tries leaked or tries butchered. But it added to the occasion rather then taking away from it.
Some might say they are over the top, and they probably are a bit, but it's a far cry from fucking Nisbo or Marshall bitching and moaning and whining about mainly the ref but also other "pet hates" they have about the game (scrums, knock downs etc). As @mariner4life said in the other thread they spend ages pouring over slow-mo footage to work out which team was "hard done by". It's negative and fuck and takes away from the experience.
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@No-Quarter said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@MN5 said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:
@akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?
You're better than that mimic.
Slightly off topic but the way origin is commentated is in start contrast to the way test matches are.
I watched the decider the other night and I actually found the commentary quite fun. "The perfect half of footy, these guys are unbelievable athletes!" etc. That was after the first half, which was far from the perfect half of footy with some pretty notable errors from both teams leading to tries leaked or tries butchered. But it added to the occasion rather then taking away from it.
Some might say they are over the top, and they probably are a bit, but it's a far cry from fucking Nisbo or Marshall bitching and moaning and whining about mainly the ref but also other "pet hates" they have about the game (scrums, knock downs etc). As @mariner4life said in the other thread they spend ages pouring over slow-mo footage to work out which team was "hard done by". It's negative and fuck and takes away from the experience.
Disagree on your assessment of Nisbo and Marshy.
I find them incredibly positive. Marshall has imo dragged Nisbo back up to his previous professional standards after the Mexted years rubbed off on him and he used his position as a soapbox to agitate on all parts of the game that annoy him.
In their current set up, they're probably too guilty of being too fair/neutral. So in pointing out how the opposition are unlucky they're not giving enough thought to refereeing. Therefore there are replays and comments about how unlucky e.g. The Lions are if the ref missed a second ricochet meaning he ruled a knock on from a kick contest incorrectly against the tourists.
I agree they need to be 'neutral' to the ref. Rather than try to emphasise their neutrality/ fair mindedness on the luck of the two teams.
But in general I do not find them whiney. I really think we're very lucky compared to some of the dross foreign broadcasts.
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@No-Quarter managed to watch Lions series mostly with the British commentary which was sooo much better than listening to Nisbo, Marshall, TJ & Smith.
I'd love to see a commentary team made up of a caller who at least gets names right (Nisbo often gets players muddled) a couple of recent players, and then a side-line guy. The British commentary had some young guy I didn't recognise as a host - Sean Fitzpartrick, McGheechan, an Irish guy and a few others as experts.
So I'd plump for Andrew Mulligan to host (or Dominic Bowden lolz) Cullen, Wilson (need someone from the forwards) Kronfield? then I'd love to have Piri Weepu or Karl Te Nana with special comments at ground level - those last two would get some excellent stuff from players etc. -
@westcoastie I listened to about 20 mins in the 2nd test with the British comms, even TR Jnr suggested we change back and he thinks Marshall is a muppet too!
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@taniwharugby maybe I just enjoyed not listening to Marshall & Nisbo
