All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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I reckon Barrett played Hollywood. I called it at the time. Lying on his back like he had just been knocked senseless. If it was a true head knock, and he had really been hurt like it appeared, surely he would have gone off under concussion protocols. It certainly didn't look like he was claiming he was winded.
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@Crazy-Horse yep he through his hands up and then lay down. Regardless the cleanout of a player who had cleared the tackle with shoulder to head was incredibly dangerous.
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@Crazy-Horse I don't think so. He stayed down for a long time and compromised our defensive line by making it 15 v 13. Don't think he would be silly enough to give the Lions such a numerical advantage.
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Geech just got faint from a bug according to his daughter.
Maybe the thought of having been a 71kg centre back in the day and seeing
SBW 108kg and Laumape 103kg warming up at 50% more beef than him in his prime made him go weak at the knees. -
Apart from the clown (which is utterly pathetic) I haven't seen too much in they way of personal attacks. Maybe he is of the opinion that anyone questioning him is attacking him. I've come across that type before. With me or against me.
As for the personal attacks, that Warren thinks personally are quite personal, but doesn't give a toss about, even if they the are against him personally, but are water off ducks back, particularly his personal own ducks back, he personally doesn't care about them personally but they were major personal motivations for winning that he personally doesn't give a personal toss about.
He's a case study in contradictions.
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@akan004 I think he was silly enough. I was yelling at him to get up and defend. It's amazing how as soon as the whistle went he sat up and then once the penalty was given he was on his feet ready to take the kick. For a bloke who was moments earlier flat out on his back in apparent lala land that's a pretty good recovery. And I say again, amazing how the concussion protocols didn't kick in.
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So all those saying the anger towards SBW was over the top, what was your reaction when it happened?
"Oh bother, oh well no big deal, everyone makes mistakes, he'll learn from this and become a better person, now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya together"
Fuck. Right. Off. Easily a red card offense that could have completely ruined the whole game as a spectacle, and he has form. Add beer to the equation and a bar full of Lions supporters and I and many others will call it as we see it at the time. Dick move by a dick player.
Still our best 12 though dammit!
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Hurricanes fans circling the wagons for their boy.
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@Rembrandt I mean the shit on Social media, now, over 12 hours later, comments are childish and OTT.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rembrandt I mean the shit on Social media, now, over 12 hours later, comments are childish and OTT.
Social media? No!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Hurricanes fans circling the wagons for their boy.
With respect M4L, saying someone was "fucking shit" when they weren't tends to get a response.
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@mariner4life They are after your boy as well. Cruden cost the Abs as much as Beauden did. Stupidly took out the Lions player which led to the penalty that led to Murray's try and then did the dumb cross kick with a minute to go. Cruden was worse actually.
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@taniwharugby Yeah totally agree, best to let it out at the time and then reflect properly on it with a hungover mind the next day
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@Rancid-Schnitzel respectfully, i thought Barrett had a poor game
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Never mind the shoulder charges, the decision that needs the most public exposure and scrutiny is the one where Retallick is deemed offside at a ruck while his halfback box kicks. The Lions first 3 points
If that is the correct interpretation of that situation then the defensive rucks all over the world will change dramatically.
Suddenly calling that penalty (and then only once) needs some explanation
From 4:20 just watch Retallick and what he does
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This thread proves we're no different to any other set of fans, we just dont have as much practice. Heaps of questioning the ref, calling for harsher bans and cards, backed up by still shots. Not our finest work
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OK, 12 hours on, and I'm now sobering up.
That was a great Lions effort. I think that their 8 matched (and bettered) ours for the first 25, and after that we were always only looking for parity. I think the taking off Kaino thing is a very, Cane and Reado can do a Richie and keep them out. I like the attitude that all the rest of the 8 can lift anothre 20%. They did too, but we needed 8 men doing that to match the lIons last night.
Our defence in the last 20 went to pieces, but I can understand much of that with tired legs.
Here's the thing, pretty much every time we attacked them with a back hitting it up 2-5 metres around the ruck, we made ground, and they either got offside or otherwise infringed. Had we made our kicks we would have won anyway, and if we had stuck with that plan and trusted it, I think we would have broken them down again. So, I'm actually pretty confident about our strategy. Right now, we have problems with execution.
I won't rehash the SBW thing again, but I'd drop him. I think Laumape showed enough last night to be the 12 to get this strategy over the line. If Crotty is fit, then I'd start him and bring ALB off the bench (mainly because I don't know how long Crotty would last). If not, then ALB to start and Goodhue to the bench.
I think we have to discuss the type of kicks Barrett missed last night. By the stats, it's not a terrible performance, but every other team has a kicker who would have probably gone 100% of those last night. It's been known for a while that he struggles, and last night it was a clear factor contributing to the loss. Do we address it? How? We are still poor under the high ball - they picked Joride, which should mean that he is ready. In that case, they should play him (I'm not sure he is ready, but they picked him). With him at 15, Dagg and 14, and a power wing at 11, we look much better and should be able to a) nail the catching, and b) improve goal kicking. Even if he is only there are a back up, it's worth considering. However, it's probably not a long term solution, as he doesn't look a natural 15. So, either way, we need Barrett to improve his goal kicking.
My changes: None up front, Crotty in at 13 with ALB to the bench and Laumape starting (SBW LTFO), 50/50 on Sopoaga in (Cruden out), Jordie to 15 and kicks goals (assuming Naholo isn't playing).
Shag really really needs to talk with the refs about off side, and Read needs to a) tell TJP to STFU and b) quietly and consistently remind the ref about the lost opportunities from Lions offsides.
Lastly, I guess they will start SBW - assuming he doesn't get a week off. However, I hope he just focuses on being accurate. Strong and accurate, and play within the laws. That's all we've ever needed from him since Nonu left, but he just can't fucking get it done.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
This thread proves we're no different to any other set of fans, we just dont have as much practice. Heaps of questioning the ref, calling for harsher bans and cards, backed up by still shots. Not our finest work
Not our finest work, perhaps - but as you say - not as much practice.
But also - other than a couple of people, most seem to be agreeing with the ref on most calls.
And congratulating the Lions. Condescendingly, of course - arrogance must be maintained.
